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Old 12-16-2018, 09:01 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'm back.

Our HOA just passed a new policy that flag poles are allowed as long as they are within your garden area (mine has always been), with a max height of 8ft.

Mine is about 9 feet, maybe a little higher. While I'm now waiting for a new letter, they have shove it and re-read the Federal law again regarding flying flags within an HOA where the property is Fee Simple ownership.

My flagpole isn't going anywhere.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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I'm back.

Our HOA just passed a new policy that flag poles are allowed as long as they are within your garden area (mine has always been), with a max height of 8ft.

Mine is about 9 feet, maybe a little higher. While I'm now waiting for a new letter, they have shove it and re-read the Federal law again regarding flying flags within an HOA where the property is Fee Simple ownership.

My flagpole isn't going anywhere.


Do you not attend the HOA meetings to express your opinion or at least hear that of others on the subject?
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:39 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Do you not attend the HOA meetings to express your opinion or at least hear that of others on the subject?
No need to. The one time I received a letter I did respond with a copy of the "Freedom to Fly the American Flag Act 2005" and I haven't heard from them again.
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Old 12-30-2018, 05:46 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Shame that we need legislation to protect our right to display the most beautiful thing in the world to us.
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Old 12-30-2018, 06:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Shame that we need legislation to protect our right to display the most beautiful thing in the world to us.
the flag specifically or whatever each individual considers the most beautiful thing in the world to them?
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Old 12-30-2018, 06:32 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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the flag specifically or whatever each individual considers the most beautiful thing in the world to them?
It's beautiful because of the fact that it's the highest ideal of America. E pluribus unum — "Out of many, one."

I mean, sure, you can (also) display a flag showing your support for your favorite sports teams, your ethnic heritage, your political views, etc. The thing that unites us all is that very beautiful American flag. This is in spite of all the aforementioned, which will serve only to distinguish us. Not that's necessarily a bad thing; in fact, there's an intrinsic value in diversity. But it must be grounded in an underlying connectedness.

I do not support anyone's right to be offended by the American flag. There's such a thing as going overboard with displaying the American flag (which is problematic insofar as it may cause desensitization)--but a simple, ordinary display is perfectly reasonable and laudable.

Insofar as you may have an intrinsic moral right to find the American flag offensive, I support your right to leave the country and renounce your citizenship.
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Old 12-30-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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It's beautiful because of the fact that it's the highest ideal of America. E pluribus unum — "Out of many, one."

I mean, sure, you can (also) display a flag showing your support for your favorite sports teams, your ethnic heritage, your political views, etc. The thing that unites us all is that very beautiful American flag. This is in spite of all the aforementioned, which will serve only to distinguish us. Not that's necessarily a bad thing; in fact, there's an intrinsic value in diversity. But it must be grounded in an underlying connectedness.

I do not support anyone's right to be offended by the American flag. There's such a thing as going overboard with displaying the American flag (which is problematic insofar as it may cause desensitization)--but a simple, ordinary display is perfectly reasonable and laudable.

Insofar as you may have an intrinsic moral right to find the American flag offensive, I support your right to leave the country and renounce your citizenship.



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Old 12-30-2018, 08:02 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It's beautiful because of the fact that it's the highest ideal of America. E pluribus unum — "Out of many, one."

I mean, sure, you can (also) display a flag showing your support for your favorite sports teams, your ethnic heritage, your political views, etc. The thing that unites us all is that very beautiful American flag. This is in spite of all the aforementioned, which will serve only to distinguish us. Not that's necessarily a bad thing; in fact, there's an intrinsic value in diversity. But it must be grounded in an underlying connectedness.

I do not support anyone's right to be offended by the American flag. There's such a thing as going overboard with displaying the American flag (which is problematic insofar as it may cause desensitization)--but a simple, ordinary display is perfectly reasonable and laudable.

Insofar as you may have an intrinsic moral right to find the American flag offensive, I support your right to leave the country and renounce your citizenship.
why does a flag connect you rather than simply being human? am i more important to you than other people in other countries?
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Old 12-30-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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Am I the only one confused by the fact that the OP chose to live in a community with an HOA in the first place? HOAs are an additional layer of unnecessary regulation which is entirely voluntary (ie: no one is required to live in such a community), meaning that the residents inflict it upon themselves. Presumably, one who is at all concerned with their individual property rights and/or their right to conduct themselves as they see fit on their own property would run screaming from such an arrangement? We worked very hard to find and acquire a property with the goal of being able to essentially do whatever we wanted, which, for some, might be a little extreme as we live in a Township with basically no services on a private road. However, there is no shortage of places to live, be they rural, suburban, or urban, without ridiculous rules governing the display of flags or other such nonsense. Regardless-no complaints about these so far

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Old 12-30-2018, 11:13 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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why does a flag connect you rather than simply being human? am i more important to you than other people in other countries?
Everyone is human, and everyone has innate human dignity and rights. But it is not possible to be equally connected to everyone. Such a scenario would undermine the concept of connectedness itself.
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