Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005 (cul-de-sac, attorney)
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Am I the only one confused by the fact that the OP chose to live in a community with an HOA in the first place? HOAs are an additional layer of unnecessary regulation which is entirely voluntary (ie: no one is required to live in such a community), meaning that the residents inflict it upon themselves. Presumably, one who is at all concerned with their individual property rights and/or their right to conduct themselves as they see fit on their own property would run screaming from such an arrangement? We worked very hard to find and acquire a property with the goal of being able to essentially do whatever we wanted, which, for some, might be a little extreme as we live in a Township with basically no services on a private road. However, there is no shortage of places to live, be they rural, suburban, or urban, without ridiculous rules governing the display of flags or other such nonsense. Regardless-no complaints about these so far
Well....I do own my land.
Living in an HOA does have advantages as we don't cut our grass or need to shovel the snow. Plus we live on a magnificent golf course.
And with the recent HOA rule change of flag poles...All is well.
HMMM???? Maybe next I'll challenge them as it would be nice to have a custom golf cart (right now they can only be plain white or beige.
Am I the only one confused by the fact that the OP chose to live in a community with an HOA in the first place? HOAs are an additional layer of unnecessary regulation which is entirely voluntary (ie: no one is required to live in such a community), meaning that the residents inflict it upon themselves. Presumably, one who is at all concerned with their individual property rights and/or their right to conduct themselves as they see fit on their own property would run screaming from such an arrangement? We worked very hard to find and acquire a property with the goal of being able to essentially do whatever we wanted, which, for some, might be a little extreme as we live in a Township with basically no services on a private road. However, there is no shortage of places to live, be they rural, suburban, or urban, without ridiculous rules governing the display of flags or other such nonsense. Regardless-no complaints about these so far
What you're saying, and your own desires to pursue happiness, are perfectly valid and make perfect sense. HOAs have obvious downsides, but they also have upsides to those who choose to live in one. This is the land of the free. We cater to all sorts of preferences.
Everyone is human, and everyone has innate human dignity and rights. But it is not possible to be equally connected to everyone. Such a scenario would undermine the concept of connectedness itself.
i dont disagree with that. the question was, do you feel more connected to me than someone in france?
Am I the only one confused by the fact that the OP chose to live in a community with an HOA in the first place? HOAs are an additional layer of unnecessary regulation which is entirely voluntary (ie: no one is required to live in such a community), meaning that the residents inflict it upon themselves.
Typically the HOA is not imposed "on themselves" by the residents at all.
Instead the residents are attempting to fulfill one of the most fundamental needs - housing.
The housing was burdened with involuntary membership HOA by the developer/builder long before any of the property was conveyed to soon-to-be residents. With virtually all new housing created as "HOA-only" certainly there is no choice but to be stuck with HOA burdened housing for much of the population. To the extent there is a "choice" it is "which HOA".
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Originally Posted by Swamp_Yankee
Presumably, one who is at all concerned with their individual property rights and/or their right to conduct themselves as they see fit on their own property would run screaming from such an arrangement?
see above.
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Originally Posted by Swamp_Yankee
We worked very hard to find and acquire a property with the goal of being able to essentially do whatever we wanted, which, for some, might be a little extreme as we live in a Township with basically no services on a private road. However, there is no shortage of places to live, be they rural, suburban, or urban, without ridiculous rules governing the display of flags or other such nonsense. Regardless-no complaints about these so far
Effectively by your own admission such property is at best rare such that the vast majority of the population would not have access to such property. They must select from what is available for housing and they are stuck with HOA-burdened housing. Not really a choice and not really a justification for abuse by HOA or the developer that created/imposed and many times still controls the HOA.
The HOA is not a democracy. It is intended to shift control away from homeowners and to shift financial liability onto them for the benefit of the developer, its financiers, vendors, and local government - not the homeowners.
The "Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005" does not really give you what you think. It was co-opted by the lobbying of Community Association Institute - the enemy of any homeowner out there. CAI represents HOA management companies and HOA attorneys - the parasitic vendors that feed off of homeowners and the HOA corporation. If you look at section 4 of the Act it was essentially an enabling act to allow certain HOAs and condo/coop organizations to impose ridiculous RESTRICTIONS for the purpose of ginning up money grabbing "notice of violation" letters, "fines", and lawsuits for the benefit of the VENDORS, not the homeowners. You may find that those HOA attorneys and management companies have recommended imposing those ridiculous restrictions based upon the Act itself. A restriction that imposes governmental institutional standards for display of a flag is fundamentally absurd. Likewise you may find ridiculous "time, place, and manner" restrictions imposed. Unfortunately most folks only read the first part of the Act and fail to see the big exception in the latter part which gives ample room for abuse by HOAs in particular.
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i dont disagree with that. the question was, do you feel more connected to me than someone in france?
Yeah. You're an American, right? No reason, then, I would not. In fact, I see it as a duty to be and live more connected to my fellow Americans than to non-Americans. To act otherwise is to undermine the fabric of what keeps us together.
Yeah. You're an American, right? No reason, then, I would not. In fact, I see it as a duty to be and live more connected to my fellow Americans than to non-Americans. To act otherwise is to undermine the fabric of what keeps us together.
If that poster is an American, it is better to engage him or her honestly and with compassion about this issue, and maybe we can then start to change things for the better.
If that poster is an American, it is better to engage him or her honestly and with compassion about this issue, and maybe we can then start to change things for the better.
I understand and it has been attempted but feel free.
Yeah. You're an American, right? No reason, then, I would not. In fact, I see it as a duty to be and live more connected to my fellow Americans than to non-Americans. To act otherwise is to undermine the fabric of what keeps us together.
i am fortunate to have been born on a certain country that offers more than most other countries. but as far as the people are concerned, i dont value them more than people who happen to be born on another piece of dirt. we are all human and our lives have equal value.
except me and my family, our lives are worth more than all others combined.
Typically the HOA is not imposed "on themselves" by the residents at all.
Instead the residents are attempting to fulfill one of the most fundamental needs - housing.
The housing was burdened with involuntary membership HOA by the developer/builder long before any of the property was conveyed to soon-to-be residents. With virtually all new housing created as "HOA-only" certainly there is no choice but to be stuck with HOA burdened housing for much of the population. To the extent there is a "choice" it is "which HOA".
see above.
Effectively by your own admission such property is at best rare such that the vast majority of the population would not have access to such property. They must select from what is available for housing and they are stuck with HOA-burdened housing. Not really a choice and not really a justification for abuse by HOA or the developer that created/imposed and many times still controls the HOA.
The HOA is not a democracy. It is intended to shift control away from homeowners and to shift financial liability onto them for the benefit of the developer, its financiers, vendors, and local government - not the homeowners.
The "Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005" does not really give you what you think. It was co-opted by the lobbying of Community Association Institute - the enemy of any homeowner out there. CAI represents HOA management companies and HOA attorneys - the parasitic vendors that feed off of homeowners and the HOA corporation. If you look at section 4 of the Act it was essentially an enabling act to allow certain HOAs and condo/coop organizations to impose ridiculous RESTRICTIONS for the purpose of ginning up money grabbing "notice of violation" letters, "fines", and lawsuits for the benefit of the VENDORS, not the homeowners. You may find that those HOA attorneys and management companies have recommended imposing those ridiculous restrictions based upon the Act itself. A restriction that imposes governmental institutional standards for display of a flag is fundamentally absurd. Likewise you may find ridiculous "time, place, and manner" restrictions imposed. Unfortunately most folks only read the first part of the Act and fail to see the big exception in the latter part which gives ample room for abuse by HOAs in particular.
That's where the law is in my favor.
We're not a condo or coop as we own our land fee simple.
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