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Old 06-09-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
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the problem lies one level up from the elected legislators, that would be the voters, especially the voters who do not vote.


something in the natural arsenic laced drinking water creates a state infinite tolerance to being fleeced to death via taxes. A euphoric feeling the brain produces when death is near, but in Nj death never comes, just the taxes. NJ residents love that warm feeling and will do nothing or everything to maintain that high.


the hit from the Trump tax reduction was really a diagnostic test that NJ failed. Ignore the negative test results and keep on standing downwind from the dense smoke produced by burning conscripted, hard earned cash from the taxpayers.


So murph will tax the rich to provide free edu etc, if the 100 million dollar donation Zuckerberg gave, just to Newark Edu, is an example of what will be done with our tax money, the great liberal slippery slope will assuredly require middle income earners to chip in what they can ill afford to pay. And the end result will be a state in deeper economic shambles, if there even exists a circle of hell beyond the 10 that Dante described.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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colts neck is in the middle at just a bit over $21k per student - but the school board has been fishing for $34 MILLION from taxpayers for "repairs and updates". in addition, they think we need a 600 seat state of the art auditorium to be built at the conover road middle school for an additional $20 MILLION.

there's no way i'm paying for that.
we only have to suffer through two more years until our kids are done, and we are out. my only hope is that we find a new set of buyers ready to pay their fair share.
How are you not going to pay for it ?
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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There's no reason that some of those can't combine into one larger district. There are way too many districts on that list for the size of NJ. NJ taxes would be much lower if towns consolidated their services. I'm not saying Montclair and Millburn need to combine with Newark. But couldn't cities like Millburn, Livingston, and West Orange for example consolidate their school districts? Like nearby cities of similar wealth should have no issue consolidating, but they do.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NJ
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There's no reason that some of those can't combine into one larger district. There are way too many districts on that list for the size of NJ. NJ taxes would be much lower if towns consolidated their services. I'm not saying Montclair and Millburn need to combine with Newark. But couldn't cities like Millburn, Livingston, and West Orange for example consolidate their school districts? Like nearby cities of similar wealth should have no issue consolidating, but they do.
Yes that makes sense. But this state is so backwards they won't even pass a law to let us pump our own gas because too many jobs would be lost. Can you imagine the shakeup that would occur by consolidating school districts. Lots of high level and high paying jobs would be lost. Plus you're dealing with the teacher's union. Forget it.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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Yes that makes sense. But this state is so backwards they won't even pass a law to let us pump our own gas because too many jobs would be lost. Can you imagine the shakeup that would occur by consolidating school districts. Lots of high level and high paying jobs would be lost. Plus you're dealing with the teacher's union. Forget it.
The unions wouldn't be so affected because the number of students, buildings, classrooms, etc. would stay pretty constant. It's about suburbanites not wanting to lose local control and Boards of Ed/Superintendents not wanting to lose their jobs. Everyone complains about high taxes, but refuses to acknowledge the burden of having numerous tiny township/borough/city governments. They don't all need their own mayor/city council, their own schools, their own courthouses, their own police/fire, etc.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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The unions wouldn't be so affected because the number of students, buildings, classrooms, etc. would stay pretty constant.
The unions would indeed be affected. If you merge 3 school districts you don't need 3 superintendents. You also don't need half of the administrative staff that goes along with them. Other positions could be consolidated as well, particularly in special services. The whole purpose of consolidating a school district is to reduce the redundancies in staff, especially at the higher levels. That's the biggest way you save money by consolidation.

I was recently visiting relatives in Maryland where their schools operate at the county level. They have 1 superintendent for a countywide student body of 80,000. That is something people in NJ would not even be able to comprehend.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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The unions would indeed be affected. If you merge 3 school districts you don't need 3 superintendents. You also don't need half of the administrative staff that goes along with them. Other positions could be consolidated as well, particularly in special services. The whole purpose of consolidating a school district is to reduce the redundancies in staff, especially at the higher levels. That's the biggest way you save money by consolidation.

I was recently visiting relatives in Maryland where their schools operate at the county level. They have 1 superintendent for a countywide student body of 80,000. That is something people in NJ would not even be able to comprehend.
Superintendents and admin staff are not part of the unions. Unions often consist of only teachers, TAs, special ed assistants, and similar positions. Some include cafeteria workers and bus drivers. The union positions would not be affected. The same number of teachers, TAs, assistants, and cafeteria workers would be needed because the number of students and buildings to staff/feed would remain constant. Bus drivers may be affected as routes would be consolidated and maintenance worker unions may be affected very slightly as they may need just slightly fewer maintenance workers. The main issue is the Superintendents, admin staff, and Boards of Ed are the ones who control the districts and they will never give up their own power.

I'm not an expert on MD's education system, but I'm assuming that if MD can do it with how wealthy, progressive, and educated they are, county-wide systems can be accomplished nationally. If we were talking county-level schools in KY, I'd have an argument for it being bad since KY schools are not good lol. But MD schools are great so it's good to know good public schools can be found in county-control school districts.

I just looked and Montgomery County School District has 162,680 students in a county of over 1 million people. It's ranked 585/10,758 of all school districts in the country. Quite impressive and I'm sure at least some NJ counties could have something close to Montgomery County. But even if not county-wide, there's no reason some of these tiny tiny districts need to exist in NJ.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: NJ
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just offer the families the opportunity to receive $10k per year per student if their kid goes to private school instead of public school. bam, i just saved you all up to $47k per student!
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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just offer the families the opportunity to receive $10k per year per student if their kid goes to private school instead of public school. bam, i just saved you all up to $47k per student!
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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just offer the families the opportunity to receive $10k per year per student if their kid goes to private school instead of public school. bam, i just saved you all up to $47k per student!
The only problem is there aren't nearly enough private schools to go around. My neighbor tried to get his kid into a private school and he couldn't find any openings.
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