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You sure you dont hear alot of Blacks in NYC hear yall? Just take a stroll around in housing project promenade and you will hear alot of Ebonic and AVEE slang from the AA community.
I hear it, but if you read again at what I said is that ya'll isn't a good example because its so widely used elsewhere beyond the South and doesn't necessarily mean that we got it from there. There's a difference between ya'll and yawl. Its like ain't
Why Doesn't The Black Community in NYC Have a Southern Twang to its Accent?
A- The black community doesnt have a southern twang to its accent. Because the black community in nyc is extremely different from the black southern community and our accents reflect that. Our accents are heavily influenced by the old italian,irish,jewish "new york" accent. And thats why we dont have a southern twang when we speak.
It doesnt matter where your from. I have never heard a born and raised new yorker say "YAWL" Its not even apart of the fabric of the culture here. Black new yorkers say "YA" like YAH like rhyming with HA not Ya'll-Yawl
NYC speech- " Hey ya about to hit this party up tonight. O aight ya be careful out here"
Southern speech- Hey yawl fitting go to this party tonight, yawl boys be careful outcha
Ok so people are saying "ya", and dropping "wl" off at the end. I stand corrected. But then again, I do say "all right", and I hate when people say "mm hmm", and "not a problem" instead of "you're welcome".
Im not saying black people sound like tony soprano. Im saying that black people have a distinctive new york accent different from blacks anywhere else
Theres a purto rican ny accent,an irish,italian,a black etc.....
LOL! Lots of blacks in New York say "ya'll."
Once again give documentation or even some you tube video of the difference. AAVE is not as diverse as say Carribean accents which are very different from country to country and city to city. AAVE is much more homogeneous. However, I will agree the Southern twang becomes less evident the further South you are.
I know you didn't mean anything by it. Furthermore, everyone especially ethnic whites speak their own brand of slang. What I was speaking was just really Urban East Coast jargon. With the concept of Ebonics people seem to think black people all over speak the same. When I lived in the South black people down there had no idea what I was saying as far as my slang, and I in turn didn't understand them either even when they weren't speaking slang. To people down South, both black and White, NY'ers sound the same to them regardless of color, our speech may not be exactly the same but its closer than when compared to someone from that region. I wouldn't use the term "ya'll" to make the point its so widely used outside of the South. And not many black New Yorkers use it. I'd also like to point out that black New Yorkers and Latinos (esp. PR's and Dominicans) are very similar in how they speak.
I don't know any places in Harlem or the Bronx, but I know S.O.B.'s and some places out in Brooklyn. Little Vicious and Mad Lion were from Brooklyn, don't know if they're still around, Supercat lived here and Toronto used to have "Snow" which wasn't real dancehall.
Well if you are speaking to a Geeche person from the sea islands in S. Carolina I would agree with you. Their dialect should really be a different language. I've spoken to many other blacks (non-Gulah speaking) from the South and understood them very well. Why a black New Yorker can't understand a black Southerner doesn't make much sense when a white person from New York, like myself can understand them with no issues.
maybe some of the older blacks that may have migrated from the south to ny. Outside that the usage is non-existent
Nonsense! The Jamaican guy who works at my company is only 28. I hear it on the subways and buses. The usage is still very common with young black people.
Now here is something that both New York blacks and whites pronounce differently and incorrect. Long Island. Whites pronounce it Lawn Guyland and blacks pronounce it Lawn Allen. Never understood why those who live right by the place can't pronounce it.
It doesnt matter where your from. I have never heard a born and raised new yorker say "YAWL" Its not even apart of the fabric of the culture here. Black new yorkers say "YA" like YAH like rhyming with HA not Ya'll-Yawl
NYC speech- " Hey ya about to hit this party up tonight. O aight ya be careful out here"
Southern speech- Hey yawl fitting go to this party tonight, yawl boys be careful outcha
OK KONY. I don't understand either of those comments and to say either of them is related to my accent is HOGWASH! When I look at them they seem to be cut from the same straw but slightly different.
There were 3 main phases to the great migration from the south. The earliest phase was to the northeastern states, with the southerners coming mainly from the south eastern coastal states. This phase went from approximately 1910 - 1930. Most Black native NYers with a southern heritage are descendants of these migrants. The southern accent was lost over time.
In answer to another poster, the original southern accent is a blend of Irish, Scottish, and French. Also the Irish that settled in the south were what is known as Scots Irish, Scottish people that immigrated to Ireland for a 1 or 2 generations, and then immigrated to the US. These Scots Irish immigrants were protestants.
Yes I agree with this in that first phase. My grandmother was born in the 1930's, she came to NY from the south as a little girl yet she still has a strong southern influenced accent. My mother was born in the 60's, and while she doesn't have a southern accent, there are still traces of it in certain things that she says. I was born in the eighties and in me its kind of non existent, but I've noticed there are certain things that I say, or in patterns that have some type of south influence.
One thing you also have to remember is that when you go to these different cities (esp Chicago for ex.) they don't consider their accent country, or to have some twang to it. They'll tell you right then and there they're not from out in the country.
Why Doesn't The Black Community in NYC Have a Southern Twang to its Accent?
A- The black community doesnt have a southern twang to its accent. Because the black community in nyc is extremely different from the black southern community and our accents reflect that. Our accents are heavily influenced by the old italian,irish,jewish "new york" accent. And thats why we dont have a southern twang when we speak.
Get it...got it.......good
Look, I get it, black culture hasn't made the strides and postive influences to society that Italians, Irish and Jews have made for this country. It's just sad that a person would rather distance themself from their own culture to make a particular group of that culture seem unique and special by owning the establishments of another group. It's well documented and most whites would agree that blacks have developed a unique way of speaking that is rooted from Southern slaves. If it makes you feel better to distance yourself from this and grasp on to the speech pattern of my ancestors. So be it. Whom am I to question it? My power to me.
PEACE!
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