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Old 08-02-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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don't misunderstand what i am saying. a degree no longer means higher wages automatically .. higher wages can be earned by learning a trade or skill that is in demand or having a degree that is in demand.

in fact just doing the things people don't want to do can earn you higher wages.

ever see what those guys get that clean out septic tanks or porta potty trucks?

my father inlaw made crazy money removing steam boilers and doing basement demolition work because few wanted to do it.

another friend had a great little business collecting old batteries and scrap metal.

our own employees at work who go in and remove the heavy motors and sewage ejector pumps from sites and bring them back to our shop make good money. very little skill needed but it is dirty heavy work few want to do.

the mere fact your are educated with a degree brings you little . you have people with masters making less than sanitation workers with high school diplomas , not that there is anything wrong with being a sanitation worker.
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I got a few homeboys in DSNY - and they eat way better than me. I ain't mad at them; I'm not cut out for that. But they do their job and eat well. I tip my hat to them.
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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in fact just doing the things people don't want to do can earn you higher wages.

ever see what those guys get that clean out septic tanks or porta potty trucks?

my father inlaw made crazy money removing steam boilers and doing basement demolition work because few wanted to do it.

another friend had a great little business collecting old batteries and scrap metal.

our own employees at work who go in and remove the heavy motors and sewage ejector pumps from sites and bring them back to our shop make good money. very little skill needed but it is dirty heavy work few want to do.

the mere fact your are educated with a degree brings you little . you have people with masters making less than sanitation workers with high school diplomas , not that there is anything wrong with being a sanitation worker.
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It's often the case that these opportunities are not very visible to those with college degrees. Someone who works in a cubicle (or has expectations while in college of working in a cubicle), does not easily see the work of the technicians who maintain the office's cooling systems. Thus it seems "vague" to them.

Also, the longer one is in the workforce, the more case-specific these opportunities become. I had a co-worker who not too long ago volunteered to be assigned to the Tokyo office then got quickly promoted only a few months after her move. It does not mean everyone has to move to Tokyo to succeed but that we should all keep an eye for opportunities that may not always be so obvious.
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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That is just why given the same set of conditions some will prosper and others fail or die on the vine.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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don't misunderstand what i am saying. a degree no longer means higher wages automatically .. higher wages can be earned by learning a trade or skill that is in demand or having a degree that is in demand.

in fact just doing the things people don't want to do can earn you higher wages.

ever see what those guys get that clean out septic tanks or porta potty trucks?

my father inlaw made crazy money removing steam boilers and doing basement demolition work because few wanted to do it.

another friend had a great little business collecting old batteries and scrap metal.

our own employees at work who go in and remove the heavy motors and sewage ejector pumps from sites and bring them back to our shop make good money. very little skill needed but it is dirty heavy work few want to do.

the mere fact your are educated with a degree brings you little . you have people with masters making less than sanitation workers with high school diplomas , not that there is anything wrong with being a sanitation worker.
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And everyone tried to work as a sanitation worker, the wages for sanitation work would go WAY DOWN. Sanitation work is ALSO union. Its not just that they have vague skills, it takes a lot of time to train people to do these jobs, and they are union. You'd have to join an union to even get this kind of work, and you often (depending on the position) have to take some sort of classes and/or get some certification. Not the same as an university degree, mind you, but its not like you just go off the streets and get these jobs either.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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The point to it all is there are reasons minimum wage jobs pay the minimum. There are reasons higher paying jobs pay what they do.

But one thing is for sure, the closer the job function gets to things you can do or would do yourself the lower the pay.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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The longer you are in the workforce, the harder it is to generalize opportunities. Opportunities appear to different people in different ways and at different times. For a bilingual writer, it might mean taking a gig in Peru even if others will say "I don't want to live in a 3rd world dump". For an aspiring drummer, it might be studying air cooling systems when other musicians would shun backbreaking technical work. It takes all kinds. But mathjak is correct that one would always have to be looking for careers that fewer people at any given point in time would be willing to do.
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