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stop and frisk didnt work.......and why do most of you keyboard warriors care anyway yall dont live in the neighborhoods where this happened......besides, yall are acting like New York is turning into new orleans.....
You do realize how close neighborhoods in NYC are to one another, right? For example, to go to work I have to travel throught Bushwick and Bed-Stuy. Don't you think my preference would be for these neighborhoods not to be crappy hell holes?
Stop and Frisk, combined with Broken Windows and better police management is exactly what did work. Were there constitutional issue? Yes. But saying it didn't work is nonsense. How did NYC go from 2000+ murders a year to >400, right around the same time as all these policies went into effect?
And now that the political layer want to go back to the old go along to get along policies that predated Giuliani, the murder rate turned back upward. Surprise, surprise.
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stop and frisk didnt work.......and why do most of you keyboard warriors care anyway yall dont live in the neighborhoods where this happened......besides, yall are acting like New York is turning into new orleans.....
Stop and Frisk, combined with Broken Windows and better police management is exactly what did work. Were there constitutional issue? Yes. But saying it didn't work is nonsense. How did NYC go from 2000+ murders a year to >400, right around the same time as all these policies went into effect?
And now that the political layer want to go back to the old go along to get along policies that predated Giuliani, the murder rate turned back upward. Surprise, surprise.
I would not add Broken Windows police theory. Stop and Frisk, but also better community policing is what really works at the end of the day.
Stop and Frisk, combined with Broken Windows and better police management is exactly what did work. Were there constitutional issue? Yes. But saying it didn't work is nonsense. How did NYC go from 2000+ murders a year to >400, right around the same time as all these policies went into effect?
And now that the political layer want to go back to the old go along to get along policies that predated Giuliani, the murder rate turned back upward. Surprise, surprise.
No actually...stop and frisk was drastically scaled back in 2013 and completely eliminated in 2014, the murder rate continued to go down both years.
No actually...stop and frisk was drastically scaled back in 2013 and completely eliminated in 2014, the murder rate continued to go down both years.
Thugs don't tend to follow public policy very closely. It takes time for them to catch on that they can once again carry illegal guns since they are now apparently protected by the constitution to do so.
Spare me. When Rudy G. came in, crime was already falling due to the efforts of Dinkins. Crime nation wide was dropping as well since the crack cocaine epidemic was ending. To credit broken windows and S&F for lowering crime is too much. You can't look at one blinp and say "Ah ha! Its because S&F was called off!"
Get real.
Perhaps the whole nation was studying from the same text book. Similiar to how cities across the nation are now starting to see increases to their gun violence stats now that we have administrations that are pro-criminal.
You do realize how close neighborhoods in NYC are to one another, right? For example, to go to work I have to travel throught Bushwick and Bed-Stuy. Don't you think my preference would be for these neighborhoods not to be crappy hell holes?
youre average stick up kid and rowdy ghetto teenager is not going to come into a white area, esp a middle class area thats heavily policed.....not unless they wanna get arrested on site, which a majority do not. furthermore the invisible boundaries are quite real. How often do you hear about bed stuy bushwick flatbush East NY Brownsville youths wreaking havoc on brooklyn hts park slope Caroll Gardens and whatnot? The youths that goto school in those type of areas their schools have heavy police surveillance and the youth are under heavy watch.
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Stop and Frisk, combined with Broken Windows and better police management is exactly what did work. Were there constitutional issue? Yes. But saying it didn't work is nonsense. How did NYC go from 2000+ murders a year to >400, right around the same time as all these policies went into effect?
And now that the political layer want to go back to the old go along to get along policies that predated Giuliani, the murder rate turned back upward. Surprise, surprise.
New York is still one of the safest big cities in the US. I said this a long time ago and im going to say this again: when stop and frisk was in full effect they didnt net a lot of guns drug parephenalia and other illegal items. You wanna know why? bc for one contrary to what most of you keyboard warriors and internet tough guys like to tell everyone, there are many black and latino citizens in the ghetto that dont do crime that just try to work, goto school and make some kind of honest living. So if theyre not about that life, theyre not going to have anything ( i know common sense is nonexistent among you wannabe keyboard bullies but..). the people that DO live a criminal lifestyle, a large majority of them knew that stop and frisk was in effect. So what happens? they hide the guns, they dont carry them and they find much sneakier ways to do crime. I know basic street knowledge is not something people here have so let me tell a secret: to be a successful criminal in NYC you have to be at least 5-10 steps ahead of the NYPD. One must be smart, and hella sneaky to have a long run in crime in NYC. The days of brazen out in the open crime are long dead at this point. If stop and frisk was such a crime buster explain how NYC still has loads upon loads of street gangs and drug crews. they way you idiots talk yall swear stop and frisk erased crime completely.
so in short.....get the sand out of your vagggina, take your midol and stop fear mongering.
Perhaps the whole nation was studying from the same text book. Similiar to how cities across the nation are now starting to see increases to their gun violence stats now that we have administrations that are pro-criminal.
No administration is pro criminal.
Crime historically has always come and gone on ways. There's a new heroine and molly epidemic that is hitting many communities hard. Policing alone will not solve this.
More money needs to be put into addiction and mental health resources.
Crime also tends tobgo down where you have more working people, and it increases with poverty.
the people that DO live a criminal lifestyle, a large majority of them knew that stop and frisk was in effect. So what happens? they hide the guns, they dont carry them and they find much sneakier ways to do crime. I know basic street knowledge is not something people here have so let me tell a secret: to be a successful criminal in NYC you have to be at least 5-10 steps ahead of the NYPD. One must be smart, and hella sneaky to have a long run in crime in NYC. The days of brazen out in the open crime are long dead at this point. If stop and frisk was such a crime buster explain how NYC still has loads upon loads of street gangs and drug crews. they way you idiots talk yall swear stop and frisk erased crime completely.
so in short.....get the sand out of your vagggina, take your midol and stop fear mongering.
This has the be the most odd post I have ever read. You start with an impassioned explanation for why SQF didn't work, then finish with the exact reason why it did. Which one is it?
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