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I'm okay with bars in my area! I laugh at the person who moved to the Lower East Side and is calling the CAT CAFE that they're too loud even though they close at like 9p. NIMBY's!!
Well since you claim to live in NYC, you should know, and no, most of my posts on city data are not on gay bars. The other thread where discrimination was alleged at rebar is the only thread in which I made multiple posts on the subject.
Now stupid being ridiculously argumentative. Anyone who knows lower Manhattan knows there's less and less BARS, and it's hard to open up a bar in a WEALTHY neighborhood because neighbors protests for some very obvious reasons. No further explanation is needed for someone who knows the city.
Excuse me, but you posted this not me, and I have a right to ask for clarification. From what I've seen from your posts, they've been about gay bars, not bars in general. I also don't understand the point of this post because as you've noted, bars are having difficulty opening around the city, so what makes this place so special?
I'm okay with bars in my area! I laugh at the person who moved to the Lower East Side and is calling the CAT CAFE that they're too loud even though they close at like 9p. NIMBY's!!
I'm the opposite- that's why I live in a building without any bars or restaurants in its vicinity - the block is simply not zoned for such things And I sleep like a baby at night!
So annoying when "new residents" move in and complain. Chelsea use to be very vibrant with clubs and bars all the way back to the 1970's and look at it now. High rises, condos, families.
Now the art galleries are slowly starting to leave Chelsea too cause of the stupid development.
So annoying when "new residents" move in and complain. Chelsea use to be very vibrant with clubs and bars all the way back to the 1970's and look at it now. High rises, condos, families.
Now the art galleries are slowly starting to leave Chelsea too cause of the stupid development.
You realtors like it because it jacks up the prices. I don't see why you're complaining. You guys along with the developers are the main reason why the city has changed so dramatically. Speculating about gentrification and driving up prices.
You realtors like it because it jacks up the prices. I don't see why you're complaining. You guys along with the developers are the main reason why the city has changed so dramatically. Speculating about gentrification and driving up prices.
The second time I agreed with you. When neighborhoods become completely gentrified, they don't want ANY bars (straight, gay, whatever), especially if they bring lots of outsiders from poorer neighborhoods. That's just a fact, and if you recall my comments on the other thread I completely understand why neighbors would feel that way. Personally I like gentrified Chelsea a lot more than gay ghetto Chelsea and I don't miss the clubs that closed at all.
Neighborhoods like Chelsea never would have had so many clubs and bars had it not been for the manufacturing leaving NYC, urban disinvestment, the whole white flight era.
But this is not a racial thing, as minorities do not like lots of clubs to open up in their neighborhoods either, for the same reasons and yes they do come out and protest. In the outer boroughs and upper Manhattan bars tend to be restricted to certain streets.
And good grief, it's not like the city needs a million bars. People can go the bodega or liquor store and drink and home and if you wanna do drugs you can do that at home too. I'm not saying never go out to a club, but in addition to lowering quality of life those places are just over. The Sex and the City era that some people miss is over as well. That was when the meat packing district was all nightclubs and art galleries. Nothing remains frozen in time.
You realtors like it because it jacks up the prices. I don't see why you're complaining. You guys along with the developers are the main reason why the city has changed so dramatically. Speculating about gentrification and driving up prices.
Far from it I don't even deal with those types of buildings in those areas. Im a walk up, pre war, low rise type of agent and can't stand high rises, condos "luxury" cheaply made only for status nonsense. I also stay away from clients who seek Validation by living in a certain neighborhood and high rise. The fakeness and insecurity is annoying.
Development follows where nightlife/culture planted the seeds first. Soon this city will be boring/residential only for a few people to afford.
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The second time I agreed with you. When neighborhoods become completely gentrified, they don't want ANY bars (straight, gay, whatever), especially if they bring lots of outsiders from poorer neighborhoods. That's just a fact, and if you recall my comments on the other thread I completely understand why neighbors would feel that way. Personally I like gentrified Chelsea a lot more than gay ghetto Chelsea and I don't miss the clubs that closed at all.
Neighborhoods like Chelsea never would have had so many clubs and bars had it not been for the manufacturing leaving NYC, urban disinvestment, the whole white flight era.
But this is not a racial thing, as minorities do not like lots of clubs to open up in their neighborhoods either, for the same reasons and yes they do come out and protest. In the outer boroughs and upper Manhattan bars tend to be restricted to certain streets.
And good grief, it's not like the city needs a million bars. People can go the bodega or liquor store and drink and home and if you wanna do drugs you can do that at home too. I'm not saying never go out to a club, but in addition to lowering quality of life those places are just over. The Sex and the City era that some people miss is over as well. That was when the meat packing district was all nightclubs and art galleries. Nothing remains frozen in time.
You seem be talking about Chelsea from the early 2000's. I'm talking about Chelsea from the 70'-mid/late 90's when the clubs didn't cater to bridge and tunnel table service nonsense that it became.
Far from it I don't even deal with those types of buildings in those areas. Im a walk up, pre war, low rise type of agent and can't stand high rises, condos "luxury" cheaply made only for status nonsense. I also stay away from clients who seek Validation by living in a certain neighborhood and high rise. The fakeness and insecurity is annoying.
Development follows where nightlife/culture planted the seeds first. Soon this city will be boring/residential only for a few people to afford.
You seem be talking about Chelsea from the early 2000's. I'm talking about Chelsea from the 70'-mid/late 90's when the clubs didn't cater to bridge and tunnel table service nonsense that it became.
Remember Chelsea, West Village, Far West Side from the 1980's and 1990's, when it was far more gritty than today. Things really began taking off not when the gays began moving down there, but the effects of the High Line and other rezoning.
Much of Chelsea and West Village were what it had been for decades; a largely working to middle class area with a smattering of money here and there. It wasn't *that* long ago you could have gotten a RS apartment in London Terrace for not that much (relative) money.
Wealth brought in by the High Line drove out the gays, trannies and others who had made the Meatpacking District their stomping grounds for ages. Yes, Sex in the City helped but things really took off with the whole "Save the High Line" thing.
Even after the gays moved onto 8th Avenue from Christopher Street there was a battle between forces of gentrification and the "old timers" who lived in those tenements, SROs and other buildings on the avenue and street.
The other thing we've not mentioned was when Rudy G "cleaned up" Times Square shutting down all the porn shops. Well the new laws meant they scattered elsewhere, and one of those areas was 8th Avenue from about 14th up through 34th. Today there still is at least one (that I've seen) porn store on 8th not far from FIT.
Far from it I don't even deal with those types of buildings in those areas. Im a walk up, pre war, low rise type of agent and can't stand high rises, condos "luxury" cheaply made only for status nonsense. I also stay away from clients who seek Validation by living in a certain neighborhood and high rise. The fakeness and insecurity is annoying.
Development follows where nightlife/culture planted the seeds first. Soon this city will be boring/residential only for a few people to afford.
You seem be talking about Chelsea from the early 2000's. I'm talking about Chelsea from the 70'-mid/late 90's when the clubs didn't cater to bridge and tunnel table service nonsense that it became.
You sound really old if you remember what the clubs in Chelsea were like in the 70s. But even then, Chelsea only could have had those clubs due to deindustrialization that was well under way by the 60s. Clubs tended to be in warehouse type space.
Honestly man, the 70s is over, live in the present. The 2000s is over, and do I wish I could go back to that. No.
The era of the big superclub is simply over, as it was not an efficient way to utilize real estate in an expensive, major city.
Development had NOTHING to do with nightlife, it had everything to do with enormous tax credits from federal and state governments, as well as these neighborhoods where generally close to central business districts.
I live in Chelsea, and several straight bars and restaurants which serve alcohol have opened in the last few years yet I never saw flyers around protesting them and their patrons "rowdy behavior".
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And I sleep like a baby at night!
You guys along with the developers are the main reason why the city has changed so dramatically. Speculating about gentrification and driving up prices.
