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Old 04-29-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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Why don’t they take the talented kids in BAD schools and put them in these schools instead of the children who are failing already. How are failing children going to compete in a tougher school environment plus most of time children failing at that level have home issues. They don’t have private tutors and yearly vacations.

NYC want to play a numbers game once again instead of doing what’s best for children
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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Why don’t they take the talented kids in BAD schools and put them in these schools instead of the children who are failing already. How are failing children going to compete in a tougher school environment plus most of time children failing at that level have home issues. They don’t have private tutors and yearly vacations.

NYC want to play a numbers game once again instead of doing what’s best for children
Cause then if the talented kids leave the bad schools, the bad schools will get closed

And then u killin ppl's paychecks

Lotta politics FaM

You gotta move back 2 spaces for asking that
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Old 04-29-2018, 08:07 PM
 
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Cause then if the talented kids leave the bad schools, the bad schools will get closed

And then u killin ppl's paychecks

Lotta politics FaM

You gotta move back 2 spaces for asking that
There is already G&T schools for talented kids who can pass the admissions test. Anderson being the most famous one in UWS. We are talking about neighborhood schools for the rest.

The political machine and social demographic driving this is a lot bigger.
1. UCLA Report on NYC having the most segregated schools in America.
2. NAACP lawsuits over discrimination
3. 70% of NYC public school kids are black and/or hispanic. White people are having less kids.
4. Teacher union that insist it is difficult to turn around an entire school made up of bad students.
5. the threat of charter schools.
6. a mayor that depends on minority votes


Truth be told if NYC doesn't start doing a better job of educating its black and hispanic population NYC going to look more and more like South Africa's apartheid.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:13 AM
 
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This scheme is not a done deal as it still must be voted upon by the DOE.


It also remains to be seen just how much rope BdeB will give his new schools chancellor to be his own man; and thus push his record/ideas on overall "inclusive", "equality" and so forth.


Mayor is term limited and also looking around for his next political gig; which is widely expected to be a WH run in 2020. Thus he will need a platform and need to decide how far to the left he wants to go and be seen as a national candidate.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:33 AM
 
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There is already G&T schools for talented kids who can pass the admissions test. Anderson being the most famous one in UWS. We are talking about neighborhood schools for the rest.

The political machine and social demographic driving this is a lot bigger.
1. UCLA Report on NYC having the most segregated schools in America.
2. NAACP lawsuits over discrimination
3. 70% of NYC public school kids are black and/or hispanic. White people are having less kids.
4. Teacher union that insist it is difficult to turn around an entire school made up of bad students.
5. the threat of charter schools.
6. a mayor that depends on minority votes


Truth be told if NYC doesn't start doing a better job of educating its black and hispanic population NYC going to look more and more like South Africa's apartheid.

NYC public elementary through middle schools are "segregated" because much depends upon where people live.


NAACP can sue all they want; no parent is going to consent to their five, six or seven year old to be bused from say Tottenville to New Brighton (or vice versa) just to satisfy some quota or whatever.


Don't know about where you live, but every area I go to in Manhattan and parts of Staten Island "whites" are lousy with kids! *LOL* Even gays are getting in on the action. https://pagesix.com/2018/04/22/lance...to-fatherhood/


Thing is for years now whites have largely abandoned the public school system. Unless they live in an area where zoned public elementary and decent range of middle schools are top shelf, they either will pack up and move to the suburbs or go with private/parochial.


Current mayor is done with needing minority votes for now. He's term limited and thus until or when he plans his next political move (WH? Governor?), he has to couch things in these next three years carefully. Least he leave a record that can be used as a club to beat him in head with by other democrats and or GOP.


You see this in how Mr. Moneybags BdeB hasn't (yet) fallen into line over the council's low income MetroCard scheme.


Finally Albany only extended mayoral control of NYC school system for two years back in 2017. When the matter comes up again in 2019 depending upon who is governor and a few other factors, parents ticked off about any "equality push" by the DOE could turn to Albany for relief.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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Cause then if the talented kids leave the bad schools, the bad schools will get closed

And then u killin ppl's paychecks

Lotta politics FaM

You gotta move back 2 spaces for asking that
I agree, they don’t want to take the smart kids out the bad schools. Then they will have too many failing schools around the system. Numbers game for funding.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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NYC public elementary through middle schools are "segregated" because much depends upon where people live.
It is NYC it depends on imaginary lines being drawn on a map. In other parts of the country people actually drive long distance for neighborhood schools.




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NAACP can sue all they want; no parent is going to consent to their five, six or seven year old to be bused from say Tottenville to New Brighton (or vice versa) just to satisfy some quota or whatever.
You don't need to go far to create diversity, projects are everywhere in the city.





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Don't know about where you live, but every area I go to in Manhattan and parts of Staten Island "whites" are lousy with kids! *LOL* Even gays are getting in on the action.
Manhattan and Staten island are both culturally, educated, and social economically different. I was mainly talking about the wealthy parts of NYC (excluding Staten Island), the professional class now a days have kids in their mid to late 30's and they only have one kid.



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Old 04-30-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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See:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/n...istrict-3.html


Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/n...-affluent.html


Again I don't know how things roll in your part of NYC, but where I live and areas frequent (UWS, UES, Tribeca, Soho, West Village, East Village, Greenwich Village, Chelsea, etc... whites tend to have more than one kid.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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Why don't the lower class embrace diversity and clean up their neighborhoods and make them attractive to outsiders?

Can you name ONE lower class area that is trying to attract the rich?


It is funny that the people who claim to support diversity never make their neighborhoods attractive to outsiders. The lower class just want handouts from the rich.

Can anyone name any neighborhood that improved with diversity? Schools go down and the crime goes up.


Fresh Prince did not flee Philly because of the lack of diversity.
Stop stealing my line!!
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:54 PM
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Am I understanding correctly that not only under-performing children will be placed in high-performing schools, but also that high-performing children will be place in under-performing school?
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