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Old 04-27-2018, 08:24 PM
 
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"This was at 11:30PM and couldn't believe what was out on 8th avenue; especially as you pass 23rd street going towards FIT/across from Penn South."

There's a methadone clinic right nearby. It's a rough stretch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/n...manhattan.html
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Didn't these folks voted for Hillary Clinton, yet they disapprove of diversity in this schools. What entitled law do these white liberals on the UWS follow by while the average folk can not. What religious texts teaches such? Please I want to know!
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:53 PM
 
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The story is vague, but I think it's missing what the parents are really upset about. There are only so many seats in those schools. With a lot of professional parents staying in the city, they are moving to better neighborhoods with better schools, often paying big money to buy apartments in the catchment areas of those schools. And those schools have gotten crowded. Now the city wants to change the catchment areas for those schools, in some misguided crusade for diversity, shoving these people's kids into poor performing schools (and likely dinging the value of their apartments in the process.) If I was one of them, I'd be furious also, and all up in the face of any politicritter I thought was responsible.

Then again, if had kids, I wouldn't raise them in the city.
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:02 AM
 
Location: JC
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Forcing kids of various aptitude levels into the same classroom only holds back the smart kids. Head to Japan or Germany and this nonsense won't exist. Kids there are divided up early and set on appropriate career tracks, those countries also skill value vocational trade schools where as the good ole' USA convinces every half brain dead teenager to get a generic business degree.
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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At a certain point you hit the wall of the kids just having much lower intelligence. The children of some professional UWS parents probably have IQs in the top 20% of whites or around 120.

the average IQ for black americans is in the 80s...can't fit a square peg in a round hole
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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At a certain point you hit the wall of the kids just having much lower intelligence. The children of some professional UWS parents probably have IQs in the top 20% of whites or around 120.

the average IQ for black americans is in the 80s...can't fit a square peg in a round hole
IQ is non-sense when it comes to children and does not differ by race. 1st generation Nigerian Americans have the highest IQ globally. It is simply due to the regimented upbringing and culture. And access to resources. Nothing to do with Race and only partly attributed to genetics.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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Manhattan is block by block in terms of what is ghetto and what is wealthy area. If you look at school district zoning lines it becomes very obvious that projects kids have been excluded and isolated to schools that are kept separate from the rest of the community. What is going on in the UWS is for the project kids in Amsterdam to be spread across the local neighborhood schools.
There are reasons for this, and it's not just to be "liberal". People learn of opportunities and get hired via social networks. If you just have NYCHA kids in Manhattan go to school with other NYCHA kids, you're not only severely limited their opportunities, you're perpetuating a system that NYCHA taxpayers have paid dearly for.

The city is searching for ways to uncreate the GHETTOES they created in PRIME real estate areas.

Spreading NYCHA kids out across the local neighborhood schools is a step in that direction.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Again, see: UWS school rezoning by the numbers | Manhattan, New York, NY | Local News


For middle and high schools students list choices and are admitted based upon who accepts them, then you have a few specialized high schools on the UWS such as High School of Performing Arts.
Well, public middle school options are by-and-large limited to the individual school districts, so the process is especially competitive and insane. Getting a kid into the district’s top middle school can be a big deal and can be a big expense using tutors and ‘Mathnasium’ and whatnot to get test scores above the hard cutoffs.

High schoolers can go to any school in the city that they can get into. The competition for top schools is intense, of course, but middle school is it’s own brand of crazy.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Forcing kids of various aptitude levels into the same classroom only holds back the smart kids. Head to Japan or Germany and this nonsense won't exist. Kids there are divided up early and set on appropriate career tracks, those countries also skill value vocational trade schools where as the good ole' USA convinces every half brain dead teenager to get a generic business degree.
In real life people of different aptitude levels have to work together and live together. You don't have people of the same aptitude level together in college or in the workforce. So why should k-12 be different?

Also not all learning is classroom oriented. In a globalized world, people learn a lot from being by people in different cultures. Learning things such as foreign languages (actually learning how to speak them instead of just being able to mumble a few words) requires broad exposure to all kinds of speakers. Schools can utilize students who come from non English speaking backgrounds at home to help them teach their classmate the language that is spoken.
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Old 04-28-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I find it humorous to see these white leftists show their true colors. While they like to decry those in the "backward, conservative South" as--like Hillary put it--deplorables, I've found that while these white leftists speak a good game on diversity and inclusion, they will throw tantrums if their children have to be near black and Latino children and will move as far away from such communities as they can often times.

That said, I don't like forced diversification of schools either. Its one thing if discriminatory practices were keeping minority kids out of these schools or if teachers and education quality was inherently better in some schools vs other schools. But I've found neither to be the case. Case in point: PS 9 in Prospect Heights is now a "must attend" elementary school in the area, and the demographics of the student body have changed as the demographics of the community have changed. And test scores and overall success statistics for the school have sharply risen during the same period. What didn't change? Teachers and lesson plans. Rather, more students who were prepared from day one because they had parents who ensured they were properly enriched academically/mentally before starting school started to attend these schools. Putting underprepared students into these UWS schools isn't going to automatically improve their lives if they come into the schools as unprepared as they were at their old schools. Note, I write automatically as I don't know what the student to teacher ratio is at these UWS schools vs the schools that the new students are coming from is. If the student to teacher ratio is lower at the UWS schools, then these new students may very well benefit from the added attention.
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