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Old 06-23-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Since taxpayers pay for public schools, all public school students deserved the same resources. Ax the specialized schools.

Anyone who wants specialized services for their kids is more than welcome to pay for them.
high performing schools in NYC actually get their budgets cut. Poor performing schools get increased budget. Your suggestion to make everything equal would hurt the poor performing schools budget, which is racist
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Since taxpayers pay for public schools, all public school students deserved the same resources. Ax the specialized schools.

Anyone who wants specialized services for their kids is more than welcome to pay for them.
Using the same logic, we should ax all special needs programs, sport team funding, English as a second language, and all other non core curriculum programs.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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Keep the test-only schools and their tests!

1. Poor Black pre-teens are on the courts or hanging out in groups at Kings Plaza or Gateway Mall.

2. Poor Latin pre-teens have girls grinding their booty, pro-style, to "Dame mas Gasolina".

3. Poor East Asian pre-teens are made to study the f--k outta math so they don't stay as poor.

If they're all poor, and work a lot, the group that values education the most is of course going to have a higher representation in schools.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Since taxpayers pay for public schools, all public school students deserved the same resources. Ax the specialized schools.

Anyone who wants specialized services for their kids is more than welcome to pay for them.
I'm pretty sure the per capita spending for specialized high schools aren't the worse in the school system by far so it'd be a lot of other schools who'd get the brunt of the ax which is probably a terrible idea. Probably who would get hit hardest are any special needs kids, kids with emotional and family life issues and the programs that serve them which are some very specialized schools and programs. Is that what you mean by axing specialized schools?

Overall, I think that's a really stupid plan and one that's born out of a silly need for some kind of ideological purity. That's not pragmatic, that's not effective. Theory is not always going to bear itself out and ideology is fine until it's no longer a phantom, but realized into a flesh and then often taken for a severe beating by reality.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Since taxpayers pay for public schools, all public school students deserved the same resources. Ax the specialized schools.
again, citation needed for this claim.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:42 AM
 
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I'm pretty sure the per capita spending for specialized high schools aren't the worse in the school system by far so it'd be a lot of other schools who'd get the brunt of the ax which is probably a terrible idea. Probably who would get hit hardest are any special needs kids, kids with emotional and family life issues and the programs that serve them which are some very specialized schools and programs. Is that what you mean by axing specialized schools?

Overall, I think that's a really stupid plan and one that's born out of a silly need for some kind of ideological purity. That's not pragmatic, that's not effective. Theory is not always going to bear itself out and ideology is fine until it's no longer a phantom, but realized into a flesh and then often taken for a severe beating by reality.
correct.
you could reduce the budget of these specialized HS to the core and they would still outperform other city schools with higher funding.

the reason is because the students' work ethic and culture, and parental involvement.

throwing more money at education does not fix the problem. everybody knows this, except for leftists.
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Old 06-23-2019, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Since taxpayers pay for public schools, all public school students deserved the same resources. Ax the specialized schools.

Anyone who wants specialized services for their kids is more than welcome to pay for them.
The specialized high schools actually get a good amount of money from fundraising and have sizable endowments.
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Since taxpayers pay for public schools, all public school students deserved the same resources. Ax the specialized schools.

Anyone who wants specialized services for their kids is more than welcome to pay for them.
Would that logic apply to every circumstance or service provided by government?
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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Entry to these schools should be STRICTLY by merit, and a test is really the only objective way to determine that. There should be NO racial or ethnic set asides.
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:34 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I actually prefer to see how this whole thing play itself out. I rather not see the status quo. If deBlasio caves into the demands and cancels the reform then nothing will change. I wanna see how this plays out as it can really change his leadership standing around the country. I want to see the fallout or aftermath of this. In theory you can get around the system by simply moving to a less crowded school and be the top kid in the school and automatically get in without a test so that is one way to get around instead of the ladder test approach.

In NJ, you don't have to take a specialized test to get into a good HS. You simply buy yourself into a good neighborhood and you are automatically zoned to a high rated school. NJ also has some of the best HS in the country that do require exams and 70% of kids in specialized HS in NJ are Asians.
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