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It was started decades ago by upper middle class black Americans moving to predominantly white suburbs and facing social isolation. It is a group that parents joined to ensure that their kids, often the only black kid in the class in those days, could meet like minded black kids.
Remember his life is urban, he doesn't have kids and he is Millennial so grew up at a time when there was less of a need for blacks in the suburbs to meet up. I do know that for black Boomers and Gen-Xers in the "burbs it was a vital tool.
I have maintained for a long time that NYC will price itself out of the market. Yes it will attract immigrants from the extreme ends of the income level (the dishwashers and the Techs) but many middle income immigrants are tired of the high cost of living in NYC. Let us get it real. NYC is a dynamic city for those in the dynamic sectors, but for others there are better places to be for those with families.
NYC is a major post graduate experience for many, and lots of people come to study in NYC. A huge factor in the high prices of big parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn are the universities. NYU has swallowed up huge parts of the village directly. Columbia has gobbled up big parts of West Harlem and Washington Heights.
Making it even harder, very close to NYU you have New School, Coopers Union, and CUNY Baruch.
Very close to Columbia you have City College. As New York got safer, the profile of all universities in NYC began to increase.
Downtown Brooklyn as NYU Polytechnic and LIU is not far away. Clinton Hill has Pratt Institute. This has contributed to rental increases.
The expansion of arts in NYC has contributed to increases as well, as artists come and go and so don't mind paying a lot of money at times.
I don't think NYC will price itself out of the market, it's just that the market has reoriented itself towards tourists, students, post graduates, artists, and the like.
Remember his life is urban, he doesn't have kids and he is Millennial so grew up at a time when there was less of a need for blacks in the suburbs to meet up. I do know that for black Boomers and Gen-Xers in the "burbs it was a vital tool.
I was surprised at that
But carry on nonetheless.
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In fact many Caribbean people also find that the South offers them a quality of life more in keeping with what they want.
So the notion that is sometimes peddled that NYC is about black Americans leaving and being replaced by black immigrants isnt true. The black population has tumbled a lot since 2000 and among those fleeing are Caribbean blacks. And I don't know that large numbers of Africans are moving in to fully replace them. And yes many of these Africans will also leave for the same reasons. TX has a huge African population.
Some just move further inland, if they stay in the Northeast, as well. People may not realize that besides Mount Vernon, the bigger cities in NY State with the highest Black percentages are in Upstate. While they are primarily African American, there are people coming from Africa and the Caribbean as well. They aren’t just moving within city limits in these areas either.
Like SE Queens the NE Bronx is not monolithic. South Jamaica isnt monolithic middle class bliss.
True, but we're talking in aggregates here. Co-Op City seems more middle class so there is that, but by and large it seems most of the NE Bronx is more working class with areas closer to and along WPR being straight poor. South Jamaica has poverty yes, but you have a wide swath of areas along the Cross Island from Laurelton to Queens Village being pretty solid save maybe Springfield Gardens. Throw in Hollis and St Albans and it's much more middle class than NE Bronx.
Yeah, I knew the presence wasn’t as big or was more mixed in terms of income, but I was wondering if they are still around in parts of areas like Wakefield, Edenwald, Eastchester, Williamsbridge and Allerton.
Some relatively recent information of some areas in that part of the Bronx where the median HH income is at least above the metro area figure: Census Tract 044800 in Bronx County, New York
True, but we're talking in aggregates here. Co-Op City seems more middle class so there is that, but by and large it seems most of the NE Bronx is more working class with areas closer to and along WPR being straight poor. South Jamaica has poverty yes, but you have a wide swath of areas along the Cross Island from Laurelton to Queens Village being pretty solid save maybe Springfield Gardens. Throw in Hollis and St Albans and it's much more middle class than NE Bronx.
Some just move further inland, if they stay in the Northeast, as well. People may not realize that besides Mount Vernon, the bigger cities in NY State with the highest Black percentages are in Upstate. While they are primarily African American, there are people coming from Africa and the Caribbean as well. They aren’t just moving within city limits in these areas either.
CaribNY is right, the demographics speak for themselves and at this point that is fine.
Honestly, I think Middle class Black NYers should do what's right for them. If it means staying, then stay. If it means heading South/West/To NJ or PA then so be it. Why should Black NYers be expected to sacrifice their QOL so white liberals can get their diversity fix? SE Queens isn't "gentirifying" so it's not that.
Middle class blacks are leaving because they are forced to. Transplants arriving in NYC are mainly whites.
All this exposes about white liberals is their hypocrisy as the enclaves that they dominate tend to be increasingly racially segregated. And they dont even ask why as they ponder about "gender ambiguous" people.
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