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They think MS-13 is a non issue because school shootings happen also
MS-13 targets rival gangs, mostly other illegal immigrants but yet that's at the forefront to protect Americans by your dear leader, yet one school shooting kills more Americans than they probably have (not sure but there are probably stats somewhere and would still not compare to all the shootings we have had in just the past couple of years), so who is the silly one here????
Yet MS-13 is an issue and should be handled as such, let's just not forget there are other ones too.
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Wrong if you actually pay attention Dems and Repugs ultimately want the same things like secure borders and immigration reform, they just want to approach it differently, FOX didn't tell you that. And your boy Trump that you don't like but apparently you listen too. Dems just don't want a stupid expensive wall where they can just dig a tunnel under it, why because that's what they do now anyways to get across, so what's more stupid? Instead of obtaining better technology, more border patrol, etc.
I'm a Bernie supporter, genius. I also think the wall is a waste of money and a pure manifestation of Trump's ego.
You can't have European style Social Democracy with endless waves of poor uneducated people crossing your borders.
It's also not cool to look the other way or diminish the extremely violent Central American gangs that come along with illegal immigrants just because you hate Trump.
You are a stark example of the problem with partisan politics today. It's all or nothing, pure vitriol and little if any actual thought about policy.
Either way you are brainwashed by FOX or rightwing media because no one is saying that either.
No they are using hyperbole the same way you do. Look in the mirror.
The defacto position of the current Democratic party is open borders. If you can't stop anyone at the border, and you can't deport anyone after they get here, and you can't stop them from being hired...you support open borders by default.
Whether you support open borders simply because you hate Trump and his supporters and want to anger them, or because you think anyone who wants to come to the US should be able to, at least admit it.
The current status is defacto open borders. If you do nothing additional to stop the flow, you support open borders. Both parties have taken this position for years. The Democrats could have seized on it years ago and shown that they actually care about working class men and women who are actually most hurt by illegal immigration..instead they choose to side with Latino activists and one world far leftists who think America is evil and responsible for all these peoples plight.
Now you have Trump because of these positions, in large part.
I'm a Bernie supporter, genius. I also think the wall is a waste of money and a pure manifestation of Trump's ego.
You can't have European style Social Democracy with endless waves of poor uneducated people crossing your borders.
It's also not cool to look the other way or diminish the extremely violent Central American gangs that come along with illegal immigrants just because you hate Trump.
You are a stark example of the problem with partisan politics today. It's all or nothing, pure vitriol and little if any actual thought about policy.
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Originally Posted by dman72
No they are using hyperbole the same way you do. Look in the mirror.
The defacto position of the current Democratic party is open borders. If you can't stop anyone at the border, and you can't deport anyone after they get here, and you can't stop them from being hired...you support open borders by default.
Whether you support open borders simply because you hate Trump and his supporters and want to anger them, or because you think anyone who wants to come to the US should be able to, at least admit it.
The current status is defacto open borders. If you do nothing additional to stop the flow, you support open borders. Both parties have taken this position for years. The Democrats could have seized on it years ago and shown that they actually care about working class men and women who are actually most hurt by illegal immigration..instead they choose to side with Latino activists and one world far leftists who think America is evil and responsible for all these peoples plight.
Now you have Trump because of these positions, in large part.
Nobody is saying to look the other way, for a Bernie supporter you sure sound like a Trumpy.
I have no idea where this social democracy rant is coming from but my only guess again is watching to much FOX and Friends (yet your a Bernie supporter? even Bernie is too left for me).
Once again democrats agree on border security, just not on a wall. They support everything else from fencing, to border patrol, technology drones, they have voted for this in the past even before Trump.
Once again yes there are issues, MS-13 is a violent gang and they have been dealt with by FBI task force(s) by deportations since early 2000's, nobody is saying to look the other way.
MS-13 primarily targets other rival gangs in the illegal immigrant circles there are other threats much greater to the American people that should be forefront, that's what Trump should be focusing on.
Yes most liberals try to down play it but that's because DOJ/FBI-Homeland (etc) should be also be focusing on protecting Americans by other threats too yet there own stats suggest the amounts of border crossings have decreased substantially and are at historical lows, deportations were high in the Obama years, so who is using hyperbole and continues too so they can get elected again?
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Nobody is saying to look the other way, for a Bernie supporter you sure sound like a Trumpy.
I have no idea where this social democracy rant is coming from but my only guess again is watching to much FOX and Friends (yet your a Bernie supporter? even Bernie is too left for me).
Once again democrats agree on border security, just not on a wall. They support everything else from fencing, to border patrol, technology drones, they have voted for this in the past even before Trump.
Once again yes there are issues, MS-13 is a violent gang and they have been dealt with by FBI task force(s) by deportations since early 2000's, nobody is saying to look the other way.
MS-13 primarily targets other rival gangs in the illegal immigrant circles there are other threats much greater to the American that should be forefront, that's what Trump should be focusing on.
Yes most liberals try to down play it but that's because DOJ/FBI-Homeland (etc) should be also be focusing on protecting Americans by other threats too yet there own stats suggest we have decreased the amounts of border crossings, deportations were high in the Obama years, so who is using hyperbole and continues too so they can get elected again?
Okay, let me try to spell out out more plainly for you since you are struggling:
Example: I support universal health coverage. The costs of this become much more difficult to manage if you do not stop illegal immigrants from using the services...they would pay little if anything into the system and extract a lot out of it considering birth rates and lack of income....you can't realistically control this without stopping them from coming here in the first place.
You are in complete denial if you don't believe a large chunk of the left believes that any attempts to stop Central Americans from getting into the country is an example of racism.
They think MS-13 is a non issue because school shootings happen also
MS13 is a non issue. In fact most of the MS13 that you fear are already in the USA, many even born here.
Central Americans can, and in fact do blame the USA for the MS13, which was born in the tough streets of LA when earlier waves of Central American kids had to defend themselves against black and Mexican American gangs.
The lowest rates of crime are among illegals because they are afraid of being deported. Legal immigrants are next up as most come here to work and unless they are naturalized citizens, can also be deported if the are engaged in criminal behavior.
The highest rates of crime among immigration origin peoples are among those BORN in the USA who have foreign born parents or grandparents. So the more "Americanized" one gets the higher the propensity to engage in violent crime.
I'm a Bernie supporter, genius. I also think the wall is a waste of money and a pure manifestation of Trump's ego.
You can't have European style Social Democracy with endless waves of poor uneducated people crossing your borders.
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Really? So who is going to take care of the babies and do the landscaping for all of those Bernie female fans. They don't cut grass and nor do they typically want to spend all day cleaning up their babies.
This is why they advocate illegal immigration.
They almost never talk about legal immigration, because legal immigrants demand higher poor and quit as soon as they can do better. One would begin to think that most people migrating to the USA either enter illegally or repeat the tale told to them by their human traffickers that bringing a kid and wailing about violence is the best way to a life of cutting grass for rich "progressives".
There is a PROCESS of migrating to the USA and if the advocates want it changed then they should begin discussion of this. ONLY unscrupulous employers and human traffickers and greedy landlords benefit from illegal migration.
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