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Although ENY and Brownsville were never gentrified, I'm sure overall safety improved under Giuliani/Bloomberg. And the recent uptick in Gun violence in those neighborhoods is real and not perception.
I can speak from personal experience about East Flatbush, where my medical school was located. When I was at medschool 1996-2000, the area was dangerous. Most med students lived on-campus which was behind security gates. There were shuttles to the subway station because it was that dangerous. One foolish student who decided to actually live in apt building outside of the campus was shot in her lobby. So E Flatbush was not a nice hood.
After graduation in 2000, I went on to Rochester MN, and Chicago for additional medical training. When I returned to NYC in 2006, and revisited E. Flatbush and my medschool after Giuliani and Bloomberg cleaned it up, the change was remarkable. White hipsters walking all over E. Flatbush with headphones on, clueless to their surroundings and not worrying about getting mugged. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime. And the fact that I even bought a condo in Dumbo speaks to real safety under R regimes. When I was kid, DUMBO was the place where squeegee bums would attack your car when you got off the Manhattan Bridge. I never thought in a million years it would get gentrified and I would by a condo there as an adult. I never met a white hipster from Ohio before I left NYC, and when I returned, NYC was flooded with them since NYC became safe in reality not perception.
But thanks to Deblasio, its back to the bad old days.
Ha, you think you were seeing hipsters because they thought the neighborhood was safe? You were seeing them there because they got priced out of PLG and Ditmas Park.
See, this is how we are often misled by statistics. A neighborhood has 175 murders one year, the next it only has 90. Lol that's still 90 murders. Pure brainwashing.
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Ha, you think you were seeing hipsters because they thought the neighborhood was safe? You were seeing them there because they got priced out of PLG and Ditmas Park.
See, this is how we are often misled by statistics. A neighborhood has 175 murders one year, the next it only has 90. Lol that's still 90 murders. Pure brainwashing.
You are missing the point that in the late 90s, a white hipster from Ohio would not even consider moving to E. Flatbush because it was outright dangerous. I never met a white hipster in those days because it wasn't safe for them to move from Ohio to nyc. NYC got safe, and we were flooded with white hipsters. Now they are all fleeing back. Safety is real not just perception. Giuliani made it possible to be "priced out from PLG and Ditmas Park" which were S holes back then. White hipsters were not flooding into PLG in the Koch to Dinkins days.
In your hypothetical of 175 murders, 85 less murders is hugely significant, and not just statistics. I guess to you, lives don't matter and its just statistics.
You are missing the point that in the late 90s, a white hipster from Ohio would not even consider moving to E. Flatbush because it was outright dangerous. I never met a white hipster in those days because it wasn't safe for them to move from Ohio to nyc. NYC got safe, and we were flooded with white hipsters. Now they are all fleeing back. Safety is real not just perception. Giuliani made it possible to be "priced out from PLG and Ditmas Park" which were S holes back then. White hipsters were not flooding into PLG in the Koch to Dinkins days.
In your hypothetical of 175 murders, 85 less murders is hugely significant, and not just statistics. I guess to you, lives don't matter and its just statistics.
Transplants move where they can afford first, safety come after.
I made my hypothetical exactly to make the point that there is no acceptable safety level IMO when it comes to murders, robberies, etc. But people will look at the stats and go, "honey, only 5 murders in this precinct this year, I can live with that..."
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