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Old 06-21-2021, 01:44 AM
 
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it's ignorant people like you that are part of the problem. turn everyone into a victim, distort facts to fit narratives, ignore data and use exceptions as rules. i mean you're seriously trying to tell us black people aren't commiting murders and violent crimes and a huge disproportionate ract and the main stream media is constantly telling us about the lack of black fathers leading to tons of problems in the black community?neither one of those things is remotely true. you're either completely ignorant a total liar.my gut is you actually believe what you say.I'm sure there are a bunch of videos on youtube where it's been mentioned but big deal. We live in a 24/7 news cycle with a ton of different channels and sources. If .000001 percent of them actually use facts and data on these topics that doesn't make you right. a tiny fraction of 24/7 news on these issues over a decade with produce a bunch of videos for youtube, but overall it's a rounding error.Why should we ignore what's mentioned 99.99999 percent of the time and pretend you've proved your point?

Politicians don't get votes with facts and data.I mean honestly it's disgusting that we have politicians who try and turn everything into a racial issue, pander on these issues, pretend they care about minorities and then do things that directly negatively impact minorities.

The media doesn't get rating with facts and data.The to everyone's detriment race baiting and fear mongering works a lot better.black people murdering black people doesn't get ratings. neither does "police are killing people are an extremely low rate consistent across all races based on incidents of violent crimes committed"." racial biased in testing" sells a lot better than "kids who grow up without good parenting do horribly in school." The media is about getting ratings and sheep eat it up.

The things Larry Elder mentions in the video you posted about a lack of black fathers is way more important than anything that's been mentioned consistently by mainstream media or any politician in the last decade. Until these corrupt scumbags have the guts to say that publicly and figure out a way to fix that issue, we're going to continue to have the same problems.
you keep moving the goal-post dude and keep changing your story.

first you say that news doesn't talk about it, you were shown that they have repeatedly and continue to.

now you say it doesn't matter if they talk about it and dismiss thousands of clips as .000001%. lol. you can't make this up!

now you're also adding other crime statistics which the news has talked about and continues to talk about also and again suggesting that these statistics are somehow hidden and unknown

then you say blacks kill whites and get away with it (also untrue (again wtf) and it is beyond asinine that one could say something so idiotic)

then you carry on with "what larry elder talks about" as if he's the only one who has talked about this, has these viewpoints and is the only who has shared them on local and national platforms. the other videos shared talk about the exact same thing after you just said that "no one talks about this".

so which is it dude?

it's just apparent by your own admission that you're comparatively young, are ignorant to what's already been discussed. your filler talk about "the media, sheep, etc" blah blah blah highlights this. you're nothing more than a "woke redditor type" who lives in a bubble and eats his own talking points.

 
Old 06-21-2021, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I will venture to say that right wingers who spout "Marxism" at everything they despise, like universal health care, or tax increases on the rich, or fair elections have never actually read a single WORD that Marx or Engels wrote.
 
Old 06-21-2021, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Actually I know exactly what Marxism is. It centers mostly on conflict theory which is a cynical view of the world consisting only of oppressors and victims, and of then targeting the oppressors as privileged and attacking them.

These children are being taught to be pre-determined in groups based on their skin color and assigning class guilt to any white person and victim status to any person with dark skin. The white people are then marginalized according to critical race theory and made to admit their guilt based on no action of their own, just by an immutable characteristic.

They are basically raping the individual agency and sovereignty away from each student and bashing into them mandatory group identity membership based on prejudice


We have a winner!

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Why can't teachers just focus on Math, Science, English, Social Studies?
Let's go one better! -- Cut out the "social studies" indoctrination and focus exclusively on a core of English grammar, with an emphasis on writing. Add in math and empirical, demonstrable "hard" science only. Encourage foreign languages and the humanities as electives, but only when based upon fact -- neither Fundamentalist whitewashing or New Age fairy tales, and encourage home-schooling whenever possible. Fire the drones with their worthless "liberal arts" degrees -- or retrain them as janitors.

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Old 06-21-2021, 06:12 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I will venture to say that right wingers who spout "Marxism" at everything they despise, like universal health care, or tax increases on the rich, or fair elections have never actually read a single WORD that Marx or Engels wrote.
Even if that were true, there's this pesky matter of 100 million killed by marxists and communists in the 20th century alone. But you know better, it was never implemented properly

It'll work this time, pinky swear!!!!
 
Old 06-21-2021, 06:39 AM
 
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I will venture to say that right wingers who spout "Marxism" at everything they despise, like universal health care, or tax increases on the rich, or fair elections have never actually read a single WORD that Marx or Engels wrote.

those things you mention
also Medicare, unions, unemployment compensation, things that are accepted and established in our mixed economy have a socialist influence but it would be extreme to call it Marxist and Marx did not invent socialism, but these programs do have an overlap
However the OP is is trying to attach "Marxist" to Critical Race Theory although this video does not use that term
The New York Post tried to argue that it is stealth Marxism in this article from May
https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-c...-really-about/


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I don't get the vibe that the main speaker in the video Allison Dempsey is a stealth Marxist

Blake Jones, setting aside what term applies or doesn't can you point to a time stamp on the video that you disagree with most
 
Old 06-21-2021, 06:46 AM
 
Location: New York City
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those things you mention
also Medicare, unions, unemployment compensation, things that are accepted and established in our mixed economy have a socialist influence but it would be extreme to call it Marxist and Marx did not invent socialism, but these programs do have an overlap
However the OP is is trying to attach "Marxist" to Critical Race Theory although this video does not use that term
The New York Post tried to argue that it is stealth Marxism in this article from May
https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-c...-really-about/




I don't get the vibe that the main speaker in the video Allison Dempsey is a stealth Marxist

Blake Jones, setting aside what term applies or doesn't can you point to a time stamp on the video that you disagree with most
9:02, the conclusions slide. They have now learned their lesson, evil white men are responsible for everything that is wrong or will ever be wrong in their lives. There is absolutely no teaching that they have the ability to make what they will of their lives and they are the internal locus of agency as opposed to an oppressive external locus. No teaching that immutable characteristics of a person (eg white, male, hetero) does not make that person equal to another person in another time who may have oppressed someone else who shares their immutable characteristic (eg black, female, gay)

It's a logical fallacy and extremely damaging to development. It teaches to (1) avoid responsibility and (2) resent and target


The teacher may or may not be a self-described Marxist, she is just following along everything she was ever taught in College from the Critical Theory thinkers (neo-Marxist/post-modern) like Kimberlé Crenshaw and all the "scholars" who have written thousands of pages of nonsense that have a straight line back to Herbert Marcuse, Antonio Gramsci, and Karl Marx
 
Old 06-21-2021, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I am a firm Marxist but I agree that race really does not play into Marxist theory/fact. "All struggle is class struggle."

There may, however, be some significant overlap between race and class...especially in wealthier countries like the U.S. and Europe.

BTW, Marx DESPISED socialism, and he saw it as the enemy of Communism.
 
Old 06-21-2021, 07:27 AM
 
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I don't get the vibe that the main speaker in the video Allison Dempsey is a stealth Marxist

Blake Jones, setting aside what term applies or doesn't can you point to a time stamp on the video that you disagree with most


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9:02, the conclusions slide.






I agree that this highly political divisive demonizing of white men should not be taught to kids

It's racist in itself. Perhaps one could call it reverse racism.
It has some elements of truth but it's very slanted and hate inspiring

It's also hypocritical. She thinks that in indicting the white man that the wives of such men
have no relation to them?
 
Old 06-21-2021, 07:28 AM
 
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I am a firm Marxist
seriously?
 
Old 06-21-2021, 08:09 AM
 
Location: USA
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Forget the label. A major problem we have now is that everyone is getting labeled. Once everything is labeled, it's easy to attribute characteristics and ideas to each label. Labels, however, are just names we make up to categorize people to fit our pre-judged ideas.

Another issue is that definitions and positions change over time. Compare the political parties of today, Republican and Democrat, with their namesakes of history.
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