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To me everything west of the Appalachians is the Midwest. Just think about it, people have large German heritage (as opposed to Italian/Irish of the East Coast), cities have lots of open parking lots and people tend to be religious. Sorry but most of Western NY is more Midwestern than Northeastern
That does not describe much or any of the Great Lakes. Like, at all.
Cities in the Great Lakes and even rural counties don't much fit any of that.
Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, pretty much don't fit that narrative whatsoever. Heck, if you wanted to consider Minneapolis part of the Great Lakes, it doesn't, either. Have you ever been to any of these cities? Your description is way off and honestly sounds a bit sheltered.
That does not describe much or any of the Great Lakes. Like, at all.
Cities in the Great Lakes and even rural counties don't much fit any of that.
Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, pretty much don't fit that narrative whatsoever. Heck, if you wanted to consider Minneapolis part of the Great Lakes, it doesn't, either. Have you ever been to any of these cities? Your description is way off and honestly sounds a bit sheltered.
All of the Midwest and much of upstate New York has lots of German heritage compared to the New York City. Or Boston and maybe even Philadelphia. For example, German is the most common heritage in Erie County (25%), higher than Irish or Italian. Have you been to upstate? I've been there and the high German heritage is obvious. The rural areas are often somewhat religious.
All of the Midwest and much of upstate New York has lots of German heritage compared to the New York City. Or Boston and maybe even Philadelphia. For example, German is the most common heritage in Erie County (25%), higher than Irish or Italian. Have you been to upstate? I've been there and the high German heritage is obvious. The rural areas are often somewhat religious.
Montgomery County PA just outside of Philadelphia is 24% German. Monroe County NY(Rochester) is slightly more German than Italian. Onondaga County NY(Syracuse) is where Irish is the ethnicity with the highest percentage. Same with Albany County, Broome County(Binghamton) and Rensselaer County(Troy). Oneida County(Utica and Rome) is where Italian is the ethnicity with the highest percentage. So, it can be all over the board in Upstate NY.
I also think the difference is that Italian, Irish and to a lesser degree Polish and English isn't too far behind German in WNY. Then, you have Chautauqua County which is also 12% Swedish.
That's all well and good. We gonna take Pennsylvania out of the Northeast because of this? I'm sure we all know just how strongly German that state is (it is after all the quintessentially Midland state as the settlers from Penn practically created Midwestern culture).
Hotly debated Maryland would have to be removed from the Northeast and placed in the Midwest now, too.
I don't think having Germans determines Northeast status, but if this is the case, lots of NY, PA, and MD would then lose their NE badge of honor. While we're at it let's take Kentucky and shove it in the Midwest since they want to be there, anyway. Seriously though, PA and MD are highly German and I actually see many people use THAT as an argument to make them Northeastern.
Guess having lots of Germans kinda means...nothing. It is after the most common ethnic group in the entire country.
Western New York aligns with NYC than the Midwest cities. That is what I, and many more people think about Western New York. That said, Pittsburgh aligns with the Midwest more.
Western NY has NOTHING to do with NYC. At all.
Buffalo is a faded industrial city like other rust belt Great Lake Cities. NYC is the center of finance and media. It has nothing to do with Western NY.
To me everything west of the Appalachians is the Midwest. Just think about it, people have large German heritage (as opposed to Italian/Irish of the East Coast), cities have lots of open parking lots and people tend to be religious. Sorry but most of Western NY is more Midwestern than Northeastern
Agreed Western NY is more Midwestern than Northeastern. The dialects of Western NY and other Great Lakes regions are similar. So are the economies.
Agreed Western NY is more Midwestern than Northeastern. The dialects of Western NY and other Great Lakes regions are similar. So are the economies.
Buffalo is still Northeastern and what makes this tough is that Cleveland and Northeastern Ohio has aspects that are viewed as being more "Northeastern" in terms of who settled the area, the good sized Jewish population and other ethnic groups, etc. So, would Cleveland and NE Ohio be viewed as Northeastern?
Also, Great Lakes and Midwest aren't synonymous, as they cross well into 2 regions. You can get from Syracuse to Lake Ontario in less than an hour and there are places in between the Adirondacks and the lake that are minutes from both.
It is the same with the economies of various Northeastern areas running the gamut, as some could say that Philadelphia and select New England metros are/were more industrial.
There is a thread in the General US forum that asks the question about Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Erie being "Midwestern".
Buffalo is a faded industrial city like other rust belt Great Lake Cities. NYC is the center of finance and media. It has nothing to do with Western NY.
The Rust Belt includes West Virginia, Philly, and Baltimore. Are they Midwest?
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