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This is why I want to be governor of North Carolina so bad! I'm currently a registered Republican though will be switching my political affiliation to Libertarian at the end of the year as I have grown really tired of how the Republican Party continues to become involved in social issues when we are suppose to be the party of small government and freedom. I could easily work with the North Carolina General Assembly and the state would receive more praise than anything without having to bend over backwards for political correctness.
Switch to Unaffiliated instead, and you can still vote in Republican primaries AGAINST people like McCrory, but also in Dem primaries either "for" or "against" somebody. The way the primaries work, I don't know why everybody in NC isn't Unaffiliated unless they are running for office.
I thought my whole post explained that..IF every everyone is merely registered as a Ligit Voter..NO Affiliation THUS Independent per American description..That there is no way States could demand Party ( closed) votes in YOUR ( USA) nomination processes.. What I am suggesting is ALL voters should be able to VOTE in Your primaries/Caucus process..But due to limitations ( closed primaries) many voter's CANNOT VOTE..Thought you guys understood your process???
I know it's difficult to grasp..since American Political process has been embedded into the minds ..yet those minds..still have no clue on "Delegate" processes....Education has finally exposed how the system has ALWAYS worked since the signing of the CONSTITUTION..
AS you said..Independents IN some STATES cannot vote in "CLOSED PRIMARIES.... Are you disputing that FACTOID?????
WHY Not every eligible VOTER be just a REGISTERED VOTER i.e ALL Independent..NObody should have to DECLARE affiliations!!
Maybe Me-CANUK understands more about your system than YOU DO!!
Maybe you do NOT. This kind of thing is handled at the STATE level, not US. Some states don't even register people by parties, some do and have CLOSED primaries, where you MUST be in a particular party to vote that party's ballot in the Primary (NC used to be this way, but changed about 20 years ago), others have semi-open ones (NC is one of these) where an Unaffiliated (not "Independent") voter may choose any one ballot, but if you are registered to a party you must vote that party's ballot. Other states have COMPLETELY open primaries where anyone can vote ANY party's ballot (which makes me wonder why they register by party at all).
It seems you do NOT understand how our system works.
This applies to your "argument" much more than the reality.
How many "men" went into women's shower areas before all of this, when there was no law about it whatsoever? It's never been "illegal" to go into the wrong bathroom, just "a big social faux-pas" for which you might get escorted out by security of the facility. But voyeurism and sexual harassment are crimes, and anyone participating in them would continue to be breaking the law.
Anyway, in the past 15 years, every (men's ) locker room I've been in has individual showers with curtains. Presuming that women's are if anything MORE modest than men's, I don't believe there would be any "showering with naked women" no matter what.
Certainly transgender people avoid anything that draws attention to themselves in bathrooms and many avoid locker rooms altogether.
But the heterosexual men you are claiming are just champing at the bit to claim they are transgender so they can get a free peep show have always had the opportunity to do that without even using an "excuse". It's not as if simply saying "Yeah, well, I'm transgender" would get them a free pass--if they were being voyeuristic or harassing anybody, they'd still be hauled out and would eventually have to somehow provide evidence of their trans status (though even an actual trans person couldn't get away with sexual harassment, not that I have ever heard of such a case).
So you basically support a far-reaching OVER-reaching law that affects way more than just bathrooms (bathrooms only in CHARLOTTE, no less-anyone outside of Charlotte was not even in "danger" of having their bathrooms legally open to trans* folk), all on the supposition that some perverted heterosexual men will prance into ladies locker rooms and claim that they're allowed to be there because they're transgender--and that nobody will call security on them. Please provide factual evidence of a single case where this has happened in other places after such a law, and explain why nobody ever did it before when it was not spelled out as either legal nor illegal to do so?
Plus, as I recall, you don't even live in NC, do you?
Previously, if men were to try to shower with women (not touch, take pics or anything), they would not be allowed to stay and do so.
If the Charlotte ordinance was allowed to stay, men would have to be allowed to do so if they claimed they were transgendered. As there are various stages of transgender, how would one prove ON THE SPOT they are transgender if they have not had any physical alterations at all? As you cannot prove you are, then you cannot prove someone is not. It is a matter of how someone thinks of themselves and that can change or be discovered anytime in life.
Why do the feelings of millions of biological females not matter? There are plenty of them speaking up and then getting called awful names.
I have from the beginning said that HB2 is very much flawed and in need of a re-write. It is odd how some people always choose to miss that part.
The point I try to educate people about is the state constitution one. Your state constitution simply does not allow Charlotte to do what they tried to do. Why does that not matter to anyone?
Why didn't Charlotte and others try to work a system legally at the STATE level or get the state constitution changed so they could do it at the local level?
I lived in NC for 7 years. I no longer live there. That matters not when contributing in this forum.
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It's called "Unaffiliated" and I thought you lived in Florida, anyway?
I do. I am "No Party Affiliation" in Florida, seeing that you brought it up. We are not allowed to vote in primaries. The nice thing about NC is you can be unaffiliated and still vote in the primaries.
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Previously, if men were to try to shower with women (not touch, take pics or anything), they would not be allowed to stay and do so.
If the Charlotte ordinance was allowed to stay, men would have to be allowed to do so if they claimed they were transgendered. As there are various stages of transgender, how would one prove ON THE SPOT they are transgender if they have not had any physical alterations at all? As you cannot prove you are, then you cannot prove someone is not. It is a matter of how someone thinks of themselves and that can change or be discovered anytime in life.
Who do the feelings of millions of biological females not matter? There are plenty of them speaking up and then getting called awful names.
I have from the beginning said that HB2 is very much flawed and in need of a re-write. It is odd how some people always choose to miss that part.
The point I try to educate people about is the state constitution one. Your state constitution simply does not allow Charlotte to do what they tried to do. Why does that not matter to anyone?
Why didn't Charlotte and others try to work a system legally at the STATE level or get the state constitution changed so they could do it at the local level?
I lived in NC for 7 years. I no longer live there. That matters not when contributing in this forum.
If the legislature voided the Charlotte ordinance & left it at that you would not see & hear the uproar. You would hear something, but not the uproar. You can't seem to accept that it's the totality of HB2 that has caused the uproar.
If the legislature voided the Charlotte ordinance & left it at that you would not see & hear the uproar. You would hear something, but not the uproar. You can't seem to accept that it's the totality of HB2 that has caused the uproar.
I would agree that the totality of HB2 has most likely increased the amount of uproar, as it is most certainly flawed, but I am also aware enough of how politically divided we have become these days that even if the former was done, it would still be making the news and would still be an uproar. It is a sign of the sad times we live in. Too few people willing to look at all sides with open eyes & hearts and too many people lined up on one of two sides with signs saying I hate you because you are so hateful.
The point I try to educate people about is the state constitution one. Your state constitution simply does not allow Charlotte to do what they tried to do. Why does that not matter to anyone?
Why didn't Charlotte and others try to work a system legally at the STATE level or get the state constitution changed so they could do it at the local level?
Its not that clear cut. Cities have broad "police powers" under the state constitution. And please, you think this general assembly was going to work with Charlotte on the issue?
Anyway, HB2 will soon be declared unconstitutional.
Its not that clear cut. Cities have broad "police powers" under the state constitution. And please, you think this general assembly was going to work with Charlotte on the issue?
Anyway, HB2 will soon be declared unconstitutional.
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I would agree that the totality of HB2 has most likely increased the amount of uproar, as it is most certainly flawed, but I am also aware enough of how politically divided we have become these days that even if the former was done, it would still be making the news and would still be an uproar. It is a sign of the sad times we live in. Too few people willing to look at all sides with open eyes & hearts and too many people lined up on one of two sides with signs saying I hate you because you are so hateful.
I'm a heterosexual female boomer. I'm not bothered by trans women in the ladies rooms with me. I am bothered by trans men in the ladies rooms with me. Why? Because I don't know if the trans man is a trans man or a pervert. Do you get that concept? Is that difficult for you to understand? You have been giving a harangue about the feelings of people like me. You are not speaking for me or many people like me. The NC legislature did not pass a law that makes me feel safe. They passed a law that makes me feel unsafe. Do you comprehend that?
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