Why is There so Much Animal Cruelty in NEPA? (Carbondale: quality of life, live)

[ashley19]

Originally Posted by Lehigh Valley Native

That happens everywhere, some truly deranged people live everywhere.

But, why post about this? What about kids who are abused and molested everyday. Like the guy busted in Monroe county for child porn, isn't that a far more vicious and disgusting act of humanity than torturing a dog?

What do you mean "why post this"? This is a horrible act that goes on in our society on a daily basis and needs to be addressed and undergo more severe punishments. These are usually the same people who end up as murderers. As humans we have the intellegence and means to use weapons. What about these poor defenseless animals who depend on us? I wish they could carry a gun or knife and even out the odds. I would like to see how a human would be against a rottie or any other bigger animal. When this does happen, the animal gets put down. We have people on death row for 20+ years who intentionally killed and nothing is ever done. Why can some make it sound so easy and say "it's just an animal"? Like Paul said, they have feelings and feel pain, just like we do. I love children dearly and of course nothing bad should ever happen to them but I wonder why everytime some one mentions animal cruelty, does some one always have to bring up child abuse? It is two totally different subjects and there does not need to be any comparison. Maybe if people taught their children to respect animals, they would grow up to be better human beings. We only have ourselves to blame and should try to correct the problems before they get worse.

[Summering]

Originally Posted by ashley19

What do you mean "why post this"? This is a horrible act that goes on in our society on a daily basis and needs to be addressed and undergo more severe punishments. These are usually the same people who end up as murderers. As humans we have the intellegence and means to use weapons. What about these poor defenseless animals who depend on us? I wish they could carry a gun or knife and even out the odds. I would like to see how a human would be against a rottie or any other bigger animal. When this does happen, the animal gets put down. We have people on death row for 20+ years who intentionally killed and nothing is ever done. Why can some make it sound so easy and say "it's just an animal"? Like Paul said, they have feelings and feel pain, just like we do. I love children dearly and of course nothing bad should ever happen to them but I wonder why everytime some one mentions animal cruelty, does some one always have to bring up child abuse? It is two totally different subjects and there does not need to be any comparison. Maybe if people taught their children to respect animals, they would grow up to be better human beings. We only have ourselves to blame and should try to correct the problems before they get worse.

I totally agree........not the same topic.........and I am sure we are all concerned with both issues. This topic, being our beloved 4 legged friends.
If there is no punishment dished out, then what will ever stop this.

[ff18wife]

I have to agree with all of you...animal cruelty is just unthinkable...not to mention what a few of the others said about child abuse and such.

What I don't get is...and I know that there is no clear answer for this....with everyone crying about helping people in other countries, what about our poor, abused and homeless? Why can't we help them first? We have a great country but we're too busy being 911 for other countries to help our own. Not to mention that we come running everytime someone needs help and get then slapped in the face (9/11). What gives?

I think we need to be more selfish for a while and just take care of US. Let those other countries fend for themselves just like we do.

Ok, enough of my ranting and rambling...

[Gretchen570]

The best time to do something about the legal perspective of this is election time.
I personally will be pushing for legislation for IMMENSE penalties regarding the same.
You are right ,Hat..the officials in my area seem akin to those described..however,they aren't all that em"pathetic" to the criminals' end of it.
And it certainly is criminal,would you agree?

[FightinPhils]

Originally Posted by Lehigh Valley Native

That happens everywhere, some truly deranged people live everywhere.

But, why post about this? What about kids who are abused and molested everyday. Like the guy busted in Monroe county for child porn, isn't that a far more vicious and disgusting act of humanity than torturing a dog?

I agree. While I am repulsed by animal cruelty...it seems the news reports make a bigger deal out of abused dogs than they do over abused children. They treat a child murder/molestation/abuse case as just another quick soundbite on the news, yet they lead off the news with a big in-depth report over dogs. A little hypocritical, since everyday, thousands upon millions of animals are slaughtered for us to eat....cows, chickens, etc, and nobody bats an eye. Is it because dogs are "cute" or whatever? I don't know. But my opinon is that human life is more important than animal life and I wish people would change their priorities and get more outraged over crimes against human beings....especially the most vulnerable like babies, children, and the elderly.

[LNTT_Vacationer]

Originally Posted by conorsdad

A little hypocritical, since everyday, thousands upon millions of animals are slaughtered for us to eat....cows, chickens, etc, and nobody bats an eye. . . .

And thousands are killed and mauled by natural predators. Being an animal can be a scary life.

[ashley19]

Originally Posted by conorsdad

my opinon is that human life is more important than animal life and I wish people would change their priorities and get more outraged over crimes against human beings....especially the most vulnerable like babies, children, and the elderly.

What makes one life worth more then another? In Gods eyes, all his creatures are created equal. [b]Again, this topic is about animal cruelty and not child abuse. They are different. I believe that most when they refer to animal abuse, refer to domestic animals not those pertaining to the food chain supply. Although when I hear some of the horror stories about that, I wonder why I am not a vegitarian. Call me a hypicrite if you want, but I it sickens me to see domestic animals abused. Yah, Yah, I know that in other countries they eat dogs and cats but we do not live there and that is not our custom. I know I will hear arguments about that but no one will ever change my mind. I can not have children and my pets are my children. They need me just as much as a child needs his/her mother. I hear people say "Well, they can be replaced". How so? Can your child be replaced by another one? Of course, animals do not have long life spans but it hurts a lot more when it is taken away by someones riduculous beliefs or pranks. I have never been badly hurt by an animal but I have by many "humans". I guess that is why I feel so strongly on this subject.

[FightinPhils]

Originally Posted by ashley19

What makes one life worth more then another? In Gods eyes, all his creatures are created equal. .

I tend to want to refrain from religious debates on here, but since you brought up God....no not all creatures are created equal. Human beings are given stewardship over God's creation...which means using His creation wisely, and yes, eating animals for food is one valid use of animals. Animal abuse would be wrong in God's eyes as well, I believe, but that does not give animals equal footing with humans. I'm not defending animal abuse...I was sickened by this story as well...my point is that the news stories seem to make a big deal about these animal abuse cases, while treated a molested/abused/murdered child as just another story.

[Gretchen570]

How about the traps with steel jaws? Has anyone heard about the children AND housepets being caught up in those?
It has happened..I saw it on the Humane Society website and on another site dedicated to legislative efforts.
Please ..this is legislation that I know is coming to the table soon..

while I respect the rights of hunters ..
these traps are heinus and way way outdated, bone crushing to be exact.
I personally never want to see the eradication of hunting...yet if these traps are allowed to continue what is it saying about how we value human OR animal life?
It also teaches that it is "ok" to cause such excruciating pain and suffering,there-by excusing future actions by those that find themselves sitting in a courtroom for something sick like the above mentioned,only to provide yet another loophole for the same.
When you look around it doesn't take too long to see that the crimes and atrocities have been ever increasing in both the human and animal realm.
"A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast,
but the mercy of the wicked is cruel." Proverbs 12;10

[Gretchen570]

Originally Posted by ff18wife

I have to agree with all of you...animal cruelty is just unthinkable...not to mention what a few of the others said about child abuse and such.

What I don't get is...and I know that there is no clear answer for this....with everyone crying about helping people in other countries, what about our poor, abused and homeless? Why can't we help them first? We have a great country but we're too busy being 911 for other countries to help our own. Not to mention that we come running everytime someone needs help and get then slapped in the face (9/11). What gives?

I think we need to be more selfish for a while and just take care of US. Let those other countries fend for themselves just like we do.

Ok, enough of my ranting and rambling...

I have a solution for the homeless,
Golf courses.
Now don't get me wrong, I own a set of clubs, but..
We have golf courses all accross the country.
Most of them have clubhouses ,kitchens,bathrooms,restaurants and delicatessins.
Why not let the homeless people stay there?
They would have to share on the weekends of course.(pardon the pun).

Seriously though the homeless numbers are scary in some parts and yet there all so many advocacy groups for them..the salvation army,the red cross,the womens shelters,the ymca,christian ministries,catholic charities,crisis intervention,habitat for humanity,harp,board of assistance,housing authority,hope,nami,mental health assn,outreach for disabled,agency on aging,united way,ssi,ssdi,redevelopment authority,and last but certainly not least the church.
The sad fact is that there are people who slip through the cracks,these unfortunate people are usually coupled with mental illness.
It takes alot of vigilance on the part of a family member to get such individuals the proper help..that is if they have a family left.
It is going to take the actual participation of people who will actively pursue the lost, and help to bring them to safety.
There is alot of help out there,but you have to know where to get it.