Ohio's November Unemployment Rate (Cleveland, Dayton: job market, income, tax)

[ZnGuy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland_Collector

People also remember where we were 4 years ago. The economy was an absolute mess. It's now relatively stable and, much to the dismay of an obstructionist congress, slowly improving. GOP strategists, Fox noise writers, and other right-wing disciples may have short memories but most people seem to remember the economy falling off a cliff in 2008 and that it could be much, much worse right now.

And, yes, Romney is a terrible candidate.

Frankly the economy would be in better condintion now if obama didn't do a thing instead of the wasted stimilus spending, TARP. If Obama is relected and the fiscal cliff approaching, and massive defense layoffs coming shortly there is a good chance we will see a double dip reccession next year. And yes if a real leader like Romney who understands business is elected we will likely avert this downturn and reverse the mess this campaign and chief has put us through these last 4 yrs

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by ZnGuy

Frankly the economy would be in better condintion now if obama didn't do a thing instead of the wasted stimilus spending, TARP. If Obama is relected and the fiscal cliff approaching, and massive defense layoffs coming shortly there is a good chance we will see a double dip reccession next year. And yes if a real leader like Romney who understands business is elected we will likely avert this downturn and reverse the mess this campaign and chief has put us through these last 4 yrs

That's just not true. Whether or not you personally agree with the bailouts/TARP, the reality is that the economy would've added several years to the recovery time and would've been more severe had we just let everything fall apart and fail. And they had broad, bipartisan support, so acting like this was Obama and the Democrats is just 100% false.

Romney is no leader. He's a businessman, to be sure, but the government is not a business and shouldn't be run as one.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by ZnGuy

Frankly the economy would be in better condintion now if obama didn't do a thing instead of the wasted stimilus spending, TARP.

Every notable economist completely disagrees with you, but ok.

If Obama is relected and the fiscal cliff approaching, and massive defense layoffs coming shortly there is a good chance we will see a double dip reccession next year.

You do realize that this "fiscal cliff" that the GOP keeps blathering on about is due to the inaction of the GOP House of Representatives, do you not? If they do their job, there is zero chance of it happening.

But, when you have this type of nonsense being spewed by the de facto leadership:

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." -Mitch McConnell, R-KY

...it's pretty easy to understand why the GOP refuses to do anything to help rectify the situation.

And yes if a real leader like Romney who understands business is elected we will likely avert this downturn and reverse the mess this campaign and chief has put us through these last 4 yrs

Well, seeing that the hypothetical Romney inauguration would occur 3 weeks after the "cliff" deadline, nothing will be averted... that is, according to his own campaign rhetoric. If Romney was a real leader, he would plead his case with his own party to put partisanship aside and help get something done before the deadline. If he did that, he might actually get my vote.

[augiedogie]

Interesting thread. I popped in to look, since CNBC is telling everyone Ohio is booming right now, and bragging how low unemployment is. No doubt they will pull out all the stops to sell OBAMA. I didn't think this could be right considering what's going on in general, so I checked the Govt. Bureau of Labor Statistics and it was just what I thought. It show OHIO has LOST 30,000 jobs in the last 6 months. Give it to a liberal media to tell the truth??

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Interesting thread. I popped in to look, since CNBC is telling everyone Ohio is booming right now, and bragging how low unemployment is. No doubt they will pull out all the stops to sell OBAMA. I didn't think this could be right considering what's going on in general, so I checked the Govt. Bureau of Labor Statistics and it was just what I thought. It show OHIO has LOST 30,000 jobs in the last 6 months. Give it to a liberal media to tell the truth??

Uh, no it hasn't. September's data comes out tomorrow I believe, but 6 months prior would've been March. In March, total non-farm jobs for the state were at 5,141,300. In August, 6 months later, it stood at 5,187,600. That's a gain of 46,300. I think what you were looking at is total employed, which is a different figure and not necessarily related to job growth. For example, if you have a bunch of people who retire, they are no longer counted as employed, but that doesn't mean those jobs no longer count as existing.

[jetakai]

Kudos to Ohio. Rechecked the thread. I am independent and have been trying to find some solid (non fudged data) to make/reinforce decisions. Since Ohio is being stressed as the most important state in the election, I wanted to read what real people who currently live in Ohio thought.

OMG do you guys even know the words "*******" and "repug". I didn't see them used once. Just nice, well thought out, verge of debate positions. Things are quoted and posted and linked. No one dismisses links as invalid because they are left or right leaning. I was shocked, shocked I tell you. You guys actually discuss things here? You don't make fun of each other? Could some of you come to the politics and other controversies forum and show them how to do it properly.

Um...well could some of you guys maybe run for some actual political seats..Maybe we could actually get some stuff done. (very serious about saying wow. no satire intended)

No wonder you guys are important. May you all have wonderful lives.

[WRosado]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Interesting thread. I popped in to look, since CNBC is telling everyone Ohio is booming right now, and bragging how low unemployment is. No doubt they will pull out all the stops to sell OBAMA. I didn't think this could be right considering what's going on in general, so I checked the Govt. Bureau of Labor Statistics and it was just what I thought. It show OHIO has LOST 30,000 jobs in the last 6 months. Give it to a liberal media to tell the truth??

Quick question:

Did you not read the first page of this thread where I brought it back to life? I gave a bunch of supporting facts from a non partisan site in the BLS that stated Ohio is doing pretty well compared to a majority of the nation. I don't care if you're a republican or democrat, don't bring your views into a thread that is just talking about numbers and economics. You have to look at the right numbers; I don't care what MSNBC or Fox News is posting. Look at the "non-farm" labor force. I posted those numbers at the bottom of page 1 with all kinds of stats, including your job loss claim as false. Look at the March to August labor force rates. Links are also there so you know where it came from.

Judging by your disdain for Obama I am going to assume the obvious. So you might actually want to give credit where you believe it is due, and that would be in our Republican governor, John Kasich.

[WRosado]

Here are the latest numbers:

Originally Posted by WRosado

Ohio's unemployment rate was 7.2% in August

Pennsylvania was 8.1%
West Virginia was 7.5%
Kentucky was 8.5%
Indiana was 8.3%
and Michigan was 9.4%

Ohio is also kicking all of our neighbors' to the curb in job growth over the year. Ohio created the 4th highest amount of jobs from August 2011-August 2012

United States (1) ...................| 8.1
|
California ..........................| 10.6
Connecticut .........................| 9.0
Delaware ............................| 6.9
Florida .............................| 8.8
Georgia .............................| 9.2
Hawaii ..............................| 6.1
Illinois ............................| 9.1
Iowa ................................| 5.5
Kansas ..............................| 6.2
Maryland ............................| 7.1
|
Massachusetts .......................| 6.3
Michigan ............................| 9.4
Minnesota ...........................| 5.9
Missouri ............................| 7.2
Montana .............................| 6.3
Nebraska ............................| 4.0
Nevada ..............................| 12.1
New Hampshire .......................| 5.7
New Jersey ..........................| 9.9
New Mexico ..........................| 6.5
|
New York ............................| 9.1
North Carolina ......................| 9.7
North Dakota ........................| 3.0
Ohio ................................| 7.2
Oklahoma ............................| 5.1
Rhode Island ........................| 10.7
South Carolina ......................| 9.6
South Dakota ........................| 4.5
Texas ...............................| 7.1
Utah ................................| 5.8
|
Vermont .............................| 5.3
Virginia ............................| 5.9
Wyoming .............................| 5.7

Table B. States with statistically significant unemployment rate changes
from August 2011 to August 2012, seasonally adjusted
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| Rate |
|-----------|-----------| Over-the-year
State | August | August | change(p)
| 2011 | 2012(p) |
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California .....................| 11.9 | 10.6 | -1.3
District of Columbia ...........| 10.5 | 8.8 | -1.7
Florida ........................| 10.5 | 8.8 | -1.7
Hawaii .........................| 6.8 | 6.1 | -.7
Idaho ..........................| 8.8 | 7.4 | -1.4
Illinois .......................| 10.2 | 9.1 | -1.1
Kentucky .......................| 9.6 | 8.5 | -1.1
Massachusetts ..................| 7.4 | 6.3 | -1.1
Mississippi ....................| 10.9 | 9.1 | -1.8
Missouri .......................| 8.6 | 7.2 | -1.4
| | |
Nevada .........................| 13.8 | 12.1 | -1.7
New York .......................| 8.3 | 9.1 | .8
North Carolina .................| 10.7 | 9.7 | -1.0
North Dakota ...................| 3.6 | 3.0 | -.6
Ohio ...........................| 8.8 | 7.2 | -1.6
Oklahoma .......................| 6.3 | 5.1 | -1.2
Texas ..........................| 8.1 | 7.1 | -1.0
Utah ...........................| 6.7 | 5.8 | -.9


Table D. States with statistically significant employment changes from
August 2011 to August 2012, seasonally adjusted
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| August | August | Over-the-year
State | 2011 | 2012(p) | change(p)
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Arizona.......................| 2,407,400 | 2,462,000 | 54,600
California....................| 14,047,600 | 14,346,300 | 298,700
Colorado......................| 2,260,000 | 2,293,300 | 33,300
Florida.......................| 7,270,500 | 7,348,300 | 77,800
Georgia.......................| 3,887,200 | 3,937,700 | 50,500
Hawaii........................| 588,500 | 602,600 | 14,100
Idaho.........................| 606,800 | 616,600 | 9,800
Illinois......................| 5,659,400 | 5,698,500 | 39,100
Indiana.......................| 2,827,600 | 2,892,300 | 64,700
Kentucky......................| 1,792,700 | 1,831,200 | 38,500
| | |
Louisiana.....................| 1,904,500 | 1,946,700 | 42,200
Massachusetts.................| 3,203,000 | 3,243,200 | 40,200
Michigan......................| 3,944,100 | 3,989,700 | 45,600
Nebraska......................| 943,100 | 954,900 | 11,800
New Jersey....................| 3,858,200 | 3,909,600 | 51,400
New Mexico....................| 805,600 | 792,300 | -13,300
New York......................| 8,692,200 | 8,814,100 | 121,900
North Dakota..................| 395,800 | 422,500 | 26,700
Ohio..........................| 5,089,300 | 5,187,600 | 98,300
Oklahoma......................| 1,553,400 | 1,598,400 | 45,000
| | |
Oregon........................| 1,619,800 | 1,643,200 | 23,400
Tennessee.....................| 2,658,500 | 2,683,100 | 24,600
Texas.........................| 10,586,100 | 10,845,600 | 259,500
Utah..........................| 1,214,600 | 1,236,600 | 22,000
Virginia......................| 3,680,500 | 3,711,400 | 30,900
Washington....................| 2,828,100 | 2,871,400 | 43,300
Wyoming.......................| 286,300 | 292,100 | 5,800

So not only have we created more jobs than all of our neighboring states, we also have a lower unemployment rate.

Ohio's labor force grew from 5,141,300 in March to 5,187,600 in August

Pennsylvania: 5,728,300 to 5,708,900
West Virginia: 761,500 to 750,700
Kentucky: 1,820,100 to 1,831,200
Indiana: 2,867,800 to 2,892,300
Michigan: 3,984,200 to 3,989,700

Local Area Unemployment Statistics Home Page

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[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by Prairieparson

Interesting thread. I popped in to look, since CNBC is telling everyone Ohio is booming right now, and bragging how low unemployment is. No doubt they will pull out all the stops to sell OBAMA. I didn't think this could be right considering what's going on in general, so I checked the Govt. Bureau of Labor Statistics and it was just what I thought. It show OHIO has LOST 30,000 jobs in the last 6 months. Give it to a liberal media to tell the truth??

Well, you're wrong. And if you need affirmation, read jcbmh81's post above for clarification.

CNBC is most certainly not a liberal outlet. Kernen, Kudlow, Cramer, Quick... all most certianly not fitting of that description. Kudlow and Cramer pretty much dominate that channel and Kudlow is especially conservative.

[augiedogie]

You can post all the stuff you want but if you go to the official US Govt. Bureau of Labor Statistics, that is the latest posed, it clearly says: March Employment 5,367,000. August Employment 5,338,000. Now I don't know where you went to school, but that's 29,000 fewer people employed. its at: bls.gov/eag.oh.htm. I'd put the www in there but they don't like us to post links. Your problems are your problems. I really don't care much. I never liked Ohio anyhow, but I'm just trying to point out that a drop of 29,000 is not a boom and CNBC is blowing smoke to make OBAMA look good.