[McBain II]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

I dont have problem with bars in benson or people having fun.

Then why the constant complaining about it?

first off, there are 15-20 bars in benson, that is over-saturation of a business.

Benson has turned into a thriving night life spot, and with that comes bars. Would anyone really want to go back to the late 80's and early 90's when Benson was a nice but drab part of town? I sure wouldn't.

By the way, if you have a problem with the number of bars, why aren't you complaining about Downtown? Tons of bars down there.

a little more business diversity in benson would be nice. not everyone in benson is a drunk or hipster.

a grocery store or a dollar tree or a movie theatre like dundee in benson would nice. not everyone in benson is a drunk or hipster

Let the record show that you celebrated the closing of Benson's locally owned grocery store. Also, I repeatedly showed to you the business diversity in Benson, which is arguably the best in the city. What more could you want there? There are something like five grocery stores within a 2 mile radius of Benson's core. A theater is just not going to happen so you might as well forget that one.

second, i dont drink. alcohol is not my thing

Maybe you should start.

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Then why the constant complaining about it?

Benson has turned into a thriving night life spot, and with that comes bars. Would anyone really want to go back to the late 80's and early 90's when Benson was a nice but drab part of town? I sure wouldn't.

By the way, if you have a problem with the number of bars, why aren't you complaining about Downtown? Tons of bars down there.

Let the record show that you celebrated the closing of Benson's locally owned grocery store. Also, I repeatedly showed to you the business diversity in Benson, which is arguably the best in the city. What more could you want there? There are something like five grocery stores within a 2 mile radius of Benson's core. A theater is just not going to happen so you might as well forget that one.



Maybe you should start.

my complaint is other than the bars, there is nothing else to do in benson.

I btw dont complain about downtown, cause downtown is bigger and has more business diversity (unlike benson)


also, Downtown has the baseball stadium and a movie theatre and many places like Jazz Kitchen and Jimmy John's and Sullivan 's


so comparing downtown to benson, is like comparing 30th and ames to village pointe.



my complaint about Louis Market was they were ripping off their customers.

I celebrated them closing cause they deserved to under for over-charging 2 to 3 times as much as No Frills or Bakers or Hy-Vee or Fareway or Bag N save



maybe if Louis Market didnt rip their customers off and was fair about their prices, more people would have shopped there.





I still think a reasonably priced grocery store should go into the old louis market


as for me and I should take up drinking, I gotta ask why?


not everyone in omaha does booze or drugs. and there is more to life than quelling inner-pain by getting drunk all the time like many do.



business diversity in benson? what a joke that is. The Business Diversity in Benson is a bunch of propaganda to shut up those who actually live in benson and want real business diversity.

the fact is: there is no shopping or real business in benson outside the bars and Walgreens and Subway


and the few places that arent bars in benson are either tattoo parlors or places that sell junk the goodwill wouldnt take.

[billiefan2000]

btw, u say that having a grocery store in the old louis market would be oversaturation


so, why is a grocery store in benson 's old louis market = over-saturation

but 15-20 bars in benson isnt?

I mean, u cant pick and choose what counts as over-saturation without it being across the board.

I mean, what is wrong with


if it is good to have 15-20 bars within 6 blocks of each other, what is wrong with another grocery store in a within 2 mile area surrounding or inside the benson area.

I mean, if 15-20 bars dont count as over-saturation, why cant 6 grocery stores not count as over-saturation also.


Or is it that it is okay to flood benson with nothing booze places (u know make Benson area the Omaha version of Whiteclay or something)

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

my complaint is other than the bars, there is nothing else to do in benson.

I btw dont complain about downtown, cause downtown is bigger and has more business diversity (unlike benson)

also, Downtown has the baseball stadium and a movie theatre and many places like Jazz Kitchen and Jimmy John's and Sullivan 's

so comparing downtown to benson, is like comparing 30th and ames to village pointe.

What else would you want to do? Obviously, not every little section of town can have there own major attractions. Benson's specialty happens to be nightlife and live music.

my complaint about Louis Market was they were ripping off their customers.

I celebrated them closing cause they deserved to under for over-charging 2 to 3 times as much as No Frills or Bakers or Hy-Vee or Fareway or Bag N save

maybe if Louis Market didnt rip their customers off and was fair about their prices, more people would have shopped there.

How do you know they were ripping off customers? That's a pretty serious accusation. And of course you'll spend more in a local place, they don't have the profit margins that a nationwide chain would (WalMart can blow me).

I still think a reasonably priced grocery store should go into the old louis market

Then why hasn't one opened up there? Either the people who make those decisions think you're wrong or you're seeing a huge opportunity and letting it slip by.

as for me and I should take up drinking, I gotta ask why?

not everyone in omaha does booze or drugs. and there is more to life than quelling inner-pain by getting drunk all the time like many do.

I get it. You only see two extreme sides. You're either totally abstinent and pure or you're an alcoholic/addict.

Personally, I love going out, having a few beers or shots, getting a good buzz going and socializing with people.

business diversity in benson? what a joke that is. The Business Diversity in Benson is a bunch of propaganda to shut up those who actually live in benson and want real business diversity.

the fact is: there is no shopping or real business in benson outside the bars and Walgreens and Subway

and the few places that arent bars in benson are either tattoo parlors or places that sell junk the goodwill wouldnt take.

I showed you that tour of Benson that Omababe's blog did a few years back. There was a boatload of different businesses just on the main corridor. Now I understand a few of those have succumbed to the economic troubles, but others are still there.

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

What else would you want to do? Obviously, not every little section of town can have there own major attractions. Benson's specialty happens to be nightlife and live music.

How do you know they were ripping off customers? That's a pretty serious accusation. And of course you'll spend more in a local place, they don't have the profit margins that a nationwide chain would (WalMart can blow me).

Then why hasn't one opened up there? Either the people who make those decisions think you're wrong or you're seeing a huge opportunity and letting it slip by.

I get it. You only see two extreme sides. You're either totally abstinent and pure or you're an alcoholic/addict.

Personally, I love going out, having a few beers or shots, getting a good buzz going and socializing with people.

I showed you that tour of Benson that Omababe's blog did a few years back. There was a boatload of different businesses just on the main corridor. Now I understand a few of those have succumbed to the economic troubles, but others are still there.

why did they succumb to economic troubles?

and did this happen while Obama and Suttle was in office?




over-saturation of bars and no one other than drunks came into benson area perhaps?


and what is wrong with being "abstinent and pure". sometimes, it's hip to be square, u know.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

btw, u say that having a grocery store in the old louis market would be oversaturation

I didn't say that. I said there were several (six, IIRC) in a two mile radius of Downtown Benson. Nothing more, nothing less.

so, why is a grocery store in benson 's old louis market = over-saturation

but 15-20 bars in benson isnt?

Easy. The market can clearly support 15-20 bars.

I mean, u cant pick and choose what counts as over-saturation without it being across the board.

Actually, you can.

Market saturation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grocery stores and bars are not the same, and thus a certain area can support more of one than the other. Also, you have to remember that the bars and music venues in Benson attract people from all over the metro. People will drive from West Omaha and Council Bluffs to go to see music in Benson, but they won't do that to go grocery shopping.

I mean, what is wrong with

if it is good to have 15-20 bars within 6 blocks of each other, what is wrong with another grocery store in a within 2 mile area surrounding or inside the benson area.

I mean, if 15-20 bars dont count as over-saturation, why cant 6 grocery stores not count as over-saturation also.

Nothing wrong with it at all. The only problem is that...as I said previously...the people who make the decisions about where to open grocery stores obviously don't feel that Benson is currently a viable area for such an expenditure. I seriously doubt they're sitting back in their boardrooms saying "Well...yeah, we could make a lot of money in Benson, but that would make Billie happy and I don't like that guy so we're going to hold out".

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by billiefan2000

why did they succumb to economic troubles?

While I can't speak specifically about any individual business, generally speaking businesses tend to fail because they didn't make enough money.

and did this happen while Obama and Suttle was in office?

Yes. Are you insinuating that they are to blame for this? I hope not, because I'd hate to have to remind you that the recession was already happening at the end of George W. Bush's term and a vast majority of economists (regardless of their political leanings) will tell you that the stimulus Obama pushed through did anything from softening the effects of a major recession to outright stopping the destruction of the global economy. I'd also have to point out that as the mayor of a city, Jim Suttle was at the mercy of national economics.

over-saturation of bars and no one other than drunks came into benson area perhaps?

That doesn't really make sense. Some of those business lasted for years, long before the Benson revitalization. Are you suggesting that Benson attracting more attention, more patrons and by proxy; more money, is what caused those businesses to fail?

and what is wrong with being "abstinent and pure". sometimes, it's hip to be square, u know.

If it works for you, cool. I couldn't think of anything more boring, however.

[MountainMen]

In Adam Smith’s “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations“, he talks about how production/business in an area is just a reflection of what the consumers want. What the Benson consumers want are bars, smoking, littering, and tattoos. The only way to change the kind of businesses in Benson is to radically change the makeup of the residents. Good luck doing that.

[billiefan2000]

Originally Posted by MountainMen

In Adam Smith’s “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations“, he talks about how production/business in an area is just a reflection of what the consumers want. What the Benson consumers want are bars, smoking, littering, and tattoos. The only way to change the kind of businesses in Benson is to radically change the makeup of the residents. Good luck doing that.

most people in benson dont go to the bars.

btw, most of the drunks at benson bars are people from other parts of town.


so, to say this is what the benson area wants is laughable. it is what Festersen and some dubious friends of his want for benson.


and if Festersen and his ilk cared about benson, why is Benson a ghost town during the day?

or is benson only catering to the "vampire" crowd (i.e. people who only come to benson at night time

[billiefan2000]

Bosco, Obama in 2013 inherited Obama in 2009 's govt. financial problems so yes, I blame Obama for our bad economy

Obama has 4 years to do something and result: Detroit being bankrupt(cause detroit btw has a 1 party system for decades) as will likely many cities under his admin. between now and Jan. 2017