What he HELL does everyone do in OC to make money?

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Yoloman

Come now, you saying I'm not comparing apples to apples and yet you are now talking about master electricians? Electrucian4you can tell us how easy it is to become a master electrician? How many start out at journeyman and then make it all the way?

According to payscale a Master electrician makes total pay between 41K-94K (including overtime).

A master of EE average job salary makes between 77k-105k (not including bonus). Bonus would be expected to be 10-20%

If you have better or more reliable data I'm all for it. But yes, my money is still on the guy getting a bsc in EE from a 4 year college.

College graduate compared to master electrician. Yeah. Both are supposed to be capable of working unattended.

Or compare college graduate with even a Journeyman electrician.

But this is the point you missed:

It might be better to take 1000 specific individuals with crackling new IT degrees and 1000 specific individuals with brand new Master Electrician certificates and compare their modal salaries after ten years.

See, you want to consider only those IT graduates who actually have jobs in programming--those are your candied apples.

I want the computation to include a set of all graduates from each program, not just the ones who have jobs...so that the likelihood of having a job in the field is also compared. Include the IT graduates who are working at Starbucks or on a help desk, which is a big proportion of them.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Yoloman

So your friend was making 156K a year net of expenses as a gardener 20 years ago? Not owning a company, not managing a crew. Mow and blow. Gardening. Not installing irrigation systems.

I honestly don't believe you.

If you had read one of my previous posts; he cut lawns, plants flowers and shrubs, laid sprinkler systems and such, but not at a contractor level. In SD County. In CA a gardener was able to do up to a certain level without being a contractor.

One here in TN, that my neighbor uses, is making at least that. I did gardening over 30 years ago and yes made very good money and then went into Landscape construction (Licensed in 3 States) and did quite well.

Yes some people hire an illegal at Home Depot for a few bucks, but in the really nice areas not so much. I did work in both LA County in nice areas, SD County, OC and the IE and .... made very good money. Now I make even more with my technology businesses, but being older, digging holes in the ground is no fun any more.

Now are there expenses, yes and they are in general deductible, so he still made very good money and was able to support his wife and kids and she did not have to work. Remember this was 20 years ago and that was very good money for then Oh and he bought a home in a nice area of Vista. Now just mowing a lawn not so much, but being good at what you do, yes you do quite well. You have no idea how well some trades do.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

a collision center in Mission Viejo just gave an estimate: $110/hr mechanical labor


does that mean the owner pays his mechanics $110.00/hr?

Nope but they still get paid very well. Even here in TN a young man I knew as making about $50.00 and hour at a Dealership.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

College graduate compared to master electrician. Yeah. Both are supposed to be capable of working unattended.

Or compare college graduate with even a Journeyman electrician.

But this is the point you missed:

It might be better to take 1000 specific individuals with crackling new IT degrees and 1000 specific individuals with brand new Master Electrician certificates and compare their modal salaries after ten years.

See, you want to consider only those IT graduates who actually have jobs in programming--those are your candied apples.

I want the computation to include a set of all graduates from each program, not just the ones who have jobs...so that the likelihood of having a job in the field is also compared. Include the IT graduates who are working at Starbucks or on a help desk, which is a big proportion of them.

Yep, or lost his job to a specialist from India they pay less.

And many journeymen go on to own their own company and make even more. How many programmers do that? The more the population grows the more plumbers, gardeners, landscapers, mechanics, Electricians, HVAC specialists and the list gets quite long are needed.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Yoloman

Lets examine my original quote real quick.

My point was that programmers make more money than electricians. On average this is 100% fact. I dont know why you dont believe it and honestly dont care.

You then had to somehow twist your argument around and shoehorn it into a comparison between a fresh graduate with an IT degree and a master electrician. This is absolutely hilarious. One has multiple years of experience and has had to take several exams and move up the chain of command. The other is freshly minted and has no experience. And you accused me of choosing candied apples. Hilarious.

I also mentioned physicians and plumbers. Please where is your mental gymastics on that one? I get it, youre blue collar and think you deserve respect from society. Sorry, you still deal with clogged pipes or digging ditches or whatever else it is. Society still sees you as manual labor.

No, I'm not blue collar. My primary tool has been a computer since 1972.

OTOH, most of society can't make a living trying to do white collar work, nor does society need it, and it's a terrible disservice to society for government and the education industry to sell "college for everyone, regardless of cost."

[galan444]

Originally Posted by missionhome

For the above listed zip codes using Charles' link, here is the percentage of the entire population in a zip making certain ranges (ie: 24.4% of all of Talega makes between $100,000-150,000). It seems the percentage of people making over $200,000 is the group that sets the tone of how affluent an area is:

92673 Talega of San Clemente
$100k-$150k: 24.4%
$150-200k: 9.1%
$200k +: 9.9%

92670: Coto de Caza
$100k-$150k: 25.1%
$150-200k: 14.8%
$200k +: 19.1%

92694: Ladera Ranch and Las Flores
$100k-$150k: 27.6%
$150-200k: 14.9%
$200k +: 14.2% (probably smaller in this economy, suprisingly close to Laguna Beach)

92629: Dana Point
$100k-$150k: 15.2%
$150-200k: 6.9%
$200k +: 7.4%

92677: Laguna Niguel
$100k-$150k: 24.4%
$150-200k: 9.1%
$200k +: 9.9% (more than its coastal neighbor Dana Point, but LN also has more ocean view mansions in Bear Brand, etc....)

92653 Laguna Hills
$100k-$150k: 10.3%
$150-200k: 4.2%
$200k +: 5.8%% (Nellie Gail not enough I guess to pull this up, plus many bought in Nellie Gail 20 + years ago)

92692: Mission Viejo East
$100k-$150k: 22%
$150-200k: 9.4%
$200k +: 8%

92691: Mission Viejo West
$100k-$150k: 20.3%
$150-200k: 5.9%
$200k +: 4.2%

92688: Rancho Santa Margarita
$100k-$150k: 20.9%
$150-200k: 6%
$200k +: 3.4%

92656: Aliso Viejo
$100k-$150k: 19.4%
$150-200k: 6.5%
$200k +: 4%

ALSO:
92657: Newport Coast
$100k-$150k: 17.6%
$150-200k: 9.7%
$200k +: 30.4% (Probably most affluent area of OC)

90740: Seal Beach
$100k-$150k: 12.2%
$150-200k: 4.4%
$200k +: 3.6% (too many retired folks in Leisure World)

92651: Laguna Beach
$100k-$150k: 16%
$150-200k: 7%
$200k +: 15% (little surprised this wasn't higher, expected Newport Coast numbers)

92602: Irvine
$100k-$150k: 38%
$150-200k: 17.4%
$200k +: 7.7%

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but are these household incomes or individual incomes?

[ryanst530]

^ Yeah, if those are household incomes, they seem surprisingly low to me.