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That's all well and good, but it's also off-topic.
This thread is about public schools imposing christian holiday festivities on its students, without considering that perhaps some of those children might not be christian. Since public schools are government entities, and the constitution of this country is clear that *government* may not impose religion on its constituency, I'd say it's pretty clear that they should either change the name of easter eggs during school time, OR get rid if them during school time.
Walmart isn't a government entity; Walmart can put up singing hot-pink Buddah statues and portraits of Krsna Murte all over its walls if it wants.
Catholic schools are absolutely welcome to teach their version of Christianity, promote it within their walls, do the easter egg thing if it gives them a thrill.
The term chosen in the OP is silly. It is intentional political correctness taken to extremes. This isn't about being politically correct. It's not a political issue. It's about INcluding all, by not isolating any. Calling them easter eggs isolates those eggs, and says "Only christianity claims them, and if anyone else claims them too, well their claim isn't valid."
Calling them "decorated eggs" is correct, appropriate, makes no claims of any kind, is a term used in stores and art classes all over the country, and would make a perfectly reasonable alternative to Easter Eggs.
The *students* can call them whatever they want to call them. But the teachers should not be presenting them as Easter Eggs. "Easter Eggs" shouldn't be part of the curriculum. "Decorated eggs" "Egg painting class" "Colored egg hunt" "Egg Surprises" - plenty of terms to use that aren't as outlandish as "Spring Spheres."
Just curious. If I wished a Christian person a "Happy Chanukha" I wonder how they would feel? Confused? Uncomfortable? Accepting? Flattered? Frustrated by my implication that they observed Chanukha?
The shoe being on the other foot, I wonder what the reaction would be.
Because we have a Christian majority in the US, I think that it probably wouldn't bother the Christian too much to be offered a Happy Chanukah (or other) greeting. When someone says Merry Christmas, they are often making an assumption that everyone else is Christian, unless they explicitly know otherwise: everyone is Christian by default. It is that kind of assumption that I think many non-Christians find disrespectful/inconsiderate/presumptuous/thoughtless, not the mere act of the greeting. If a Christian is offered a holiday greeting from another religion, I don't think they experience this - there is no implied assumption that they practice the other religion because it is well-known that that religion is in the minority.
Christmas vacation has become winter break, now Easter eggs have become spring spheres? What's a parent to do?
How do we, as parents and human beings allow this political correctness to invade every aspect of our lives?
How do we teach our children one thing at home, only to find out they are taught the opposite at school?
Therein lies the breakdown between home and school. Kids will believe what their parents tell them, and if what they learn at school is opposite, or way off mark, they take it as lying and confusing.
Will YOUR kids be coloring Easter eggs, or spring spheres this year?
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Originally Posted by AnonChick
This thread is about public schools imposing christian holiday festivities on its students, without considering that perhaps some of those children might not be christian. Since public schools are government entities, and the constitution of this country is clear that *government* may not impose religion on its constituency, I'd say it's pretty clear that they should either change the name of easter eggs during school time, OR get rid if them during school time.
Walmart isn't a government entity; Walmart can put up singing hot-pink Buddah statues and portraits of Krsna Murte all over its walls if it wants.
Catholic schools are absolutely welcome to teach their version of Christianity, promote it within their walls, do the easter egg thing if it gives them a thrill.
The term chosen in the OP is silly. It is intentional political correctness taken to extremes. This isn't about being politically correct. It's not a political issue. It's about INcluding all, by not isolating any. Calling them easter eggs isolates those eggs, and says "Only christianity claims them, and if anyone else claims them too, well their claim isn't valid."
Calling them "decorated eggs" is correct, appropriate, makes no claims of any kind, is a term used in stores and art classes all over the country, and would make a perfectly reasonable alternative to Easter Eggs.
The *students* can call them whatever they want to call them. But the teachers should not be presenting them as Easter Eggs. "Easter Eggs" shouldn't be part of the curriculum. "Decorated eggs" "Egg painting class" "Colored egg hunt" "Egg Surprises" - plenty of terms to use that aren't as outlandish as "Spring Spheres."
Actually, it's about how truely ignorant it is to streamline everything into PC and how it takes all the fun away from things that shouldn't be seen as anything more than fun or celebration.
Why should anyone care if colored eggs at Easter time are called Easter eggs? When else do people color eggs that the majority of people celebrate?
Why should it make ANYONE uncomfortable to say or hear Merry Christmas? I've exchanged those wishes with people of EVERY faith and no one has melted or burned because of it.
I agree that all other established religions should have their seperate holidays acknowledged, but honestly, Christmas and Easter have mainly gone the way of commercialism, not religious fervor. Those who celebrate the religious aspect of those holidays are mainly Christians. Those who celebrate the joy and commercialism aspect are plain folks with no particular religious sway, or EVERY particular religious sway, whose kids get up to look for hidden EASTER baskets or sneak down to try to catch Santa on CHRISTMAS morning.
Why should it make ANYONE uncomfortable to say or hear Merry Christmas? .
Why should it make anyone uncomfortable to hear Happy Holidays?
I have never actually heard anyone complain about having Merry Christmas said to them. On the other hand there is the annual * War on Christmas* debate when people complain about hearing Happy Holidays at WalMart, or Disney or wherever.
Why should it make anyone uncomfortable to hear Happy Holidays?
I have never actually heard anyone complain about having Merry Christmas said to them. On the other hand there is the annual * War on Christmas* debate when people complain about hearing Happy Holidays.
Going into Thanksgiving, I always say Happy Holidays. That covers the entire season, but for the last two weeks up until Christmas, I always say Merry Christmas. After Christmas, I say Happy New Year.
Three days before Christmas, I'm not going to say Happy Holidays.
How is the Easter bunny associated with a crucifixion ?? Was the rabbit served At the last supper or something? How is santa related to Jesus birth?? Did he go down the mangers chimney??
I understand they fall on the same days but currently they truly have nothing to do with a religious undertone. We have Muslims, buddhists, Jewish, fslun gong, and atheist in class and none cared about bunnies or candyless egg hunts. They care more about no candy at school.
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That's all well and good, but it's also off-topic.
This thread is about public schools imposing christian holiday festivities on its students, without considering that perhaps some of those children might not be christian. Since public schools are government entities, and the constitution of this country is clear that *government* may not impose religion on its constituency, I'd say it's pretty clear that they should either change the name of easter eggs during school time, OR get rid if them during school time.
Walmart isn't a government entity; Walmart can put up singing hot-pink Buddah statues and portraits of Krsna Murte all over its walls if it wants.
Catholic schools are absolutely welcome to teach their version of Christianity, promote it within their walls, do the easter egg thing if it gives them a thrill.
The term chosen in the OP is silly. It is intentional political correctness taken to extremes. This isn't about being politically correct. It's not a political issue. It's about INcluding all, by not isolating any. Calling them easter eggs isolates those eggs, and says "Only christianity claims them, and if anyone else claims them too, well their claim isn't valid."
Calling them "decorated eggs" is correct, appropriate, makes no claims of any kind, is a term used in stores and art classes all over the country, and would make a perfectly reasonable alternative to Easter Eggs.
The *students* can call them whatever they want to call them. But the teachers should not be presenting them as Easter Eggs. "Easter Eggs" shouldn't be part of the curriculum. "Decorated eggs" "Egg painting class" "Colored egg hunt" "Egg Surprises" - plenty of terms to use that aren't as outlandish as "Spring Spheres."
Actually, it's about how truely ignorant it is to streamline everything into PC and how it takes all the fun away from things that shouldn't be seen as anything more than fun or celebration.
Things that shouldn't be seen as anything more than fun or celebration? To a lot of people that concept in and of itself would be offensive. Easter is a particularly serious occasion in Christianity, isn't it? Good Friday in particular.
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Why should anyone care if colored eggs at Easter time are called Easter eggs? When else do people color eggs that the majority of people celebrate?
I don't know of anybody that does care, about the eggs. The original story is of questionable credibility.
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Why should it make ANYONE uncomfortable to say or hear Merry Christmas? I've exchanged those wishes with people of EVERY faith and no one has melted or burned because of it.
Actually the whole concept goes against Islamic beliefs. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of Muslims. I'd prefer to wish them Happy Holidays.
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Originally Posted by standupandbecounted
I agree that all other established religions should have their seperate holidays acknowledged, but honestly, Christmas and Easter have mainly gone the way of commercialism, not religious fervor. Those who celebrate the religious aspect of those holidays are mainly Christians. Those who celebrate the joy and commercialism aspect are plain folks with no particular religious sway, or EVERY particular religious sway, whose kids get up to look for hidden EASTER baskets or sneak down to try to catch Santa on CHRISTMAS morning.
If it's just a commercial holiday, then why does it matter if in public places it's called WinterFest or Snowmobile day, or whatever? There are still a lot of kids who won't do either of those things. Having an inclusive public celebration means they get to celebrate the season too.
Things that shouldn't be seen as anything more than fun or celebration? To a lot of people that concept in and of itself would be offensive. Easter is a particularly serious occasion in Christianity, isn't it? Good Friday in particular.
I don't know of anybody that does care, about the eggs. The original story is of questionable credibility.
Actually the whole concept goes against Islamic beliefs. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of Muslims. I'd prefer to wish them Happy Holidays.
If it's just a commercial holiday, then why does it matter if in public places it's called WinterFest or Snowmobile day, or whatever? There are still a lot of kids who won't do either of those things. Having an inclusive public celebration means they get to celebrate the season too.
You're looking for trouble where there is none. There are millions of people who do not celebrate the religious Easter, or the religious Christmas. They celebrate the Easter Bunny, Easter basket, colored egg aspect of Easter and the Santa giving celebrating aspect of Christmas.
Those who are of the religious population have co-existed without offense with those who aren't for centuries. What is your point.
I personally have known many muslims who have celebrated the Santa, Christmas tree part of Christmas and one of those families is the family of an Imam. Their kids always have had presents on Christmas morning. ALL of them have wished me Merry Christmas. It was common to hear people wishing others Merry Christmas after Friday services just before Christmas.
OK, I take it back. One person did say they don't like being told Merry Christmas
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