Crime in Philadelphia discussion

[lpranger467]

I've read studies from San Fransisco & New York where between 65-93% (depending on where study was conducted) of homeless refuse shelter. When people refuse assistance, it should not be at the burden or residents who have to deal with tent cities, public defecation etc-. I'm glad that municipalities are now pushing for a more forceful solution after realizing that handouts alone are not solving the issue.

Originally Posted by Pennsport

I like that idea, but it may be illegal to forcibly ship American citizens out of one state to another. We do have an open state travel and residency status for citizens. However, it may not come to that. Many of these addicts have refused treatment, which is fine - their choice. Parker has already stated those who refuse a treatment facility will be jailed. I assume she means, next time they steal, squat in areas where squatting is illegal, defecate in public, etc... basically, commit any crime, they will be sent to jail. That's the "forced" rehab. Works for me, personally. It only takes a few weeks to get the drugs out one's system in most incidences. Will that stop the urge to use or address underlying mental/emotional issues for all addicts? No, but for some it will.

Regardless, it's a start to get the city's ground zero cleaned up and allow construction to get rolling down there in Kensington. Junkies like dark, ignored areas. They're not going to come back in six months to a place that looks like the below maps view of this block (1700 N Front street); which, BTW, didn't look all that different from deep Kensington a few years ago. I can only imagine the number of developers frothing at the mouth to get some vacant lots for pennies on the dollar and put up some townhomes, condos and street-facing commercial.

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[NewtownBucks]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

George Floyd Weekend did lead me to pen this essay, but I don't think that the city's image took that much of a hit because of the Walnut Street rampage, even if it followed a script written in advance.

But the reason Philly's image didn't suffer a hit was: There were similar riots in other cities that weekend, and anyway, the events in Minneapolis itself sucked up most of the media oxygen.

I'd say the pandemic crime spike has caused more damage to the city's image, and the Kensington opioid bazaar even more. Crime has fallen since the pandemic spike, and yet you see and hear people (like Mayvenne) talking as though this place were still "Killadelphia," where you took your life into your hands every time you left home. But the videos of Kensington Avenue have gone viral multiple times over, and that's led some to think that most of Philadelphia looks like that. I'm glad Mayor Parker has chosen to finally clean that up.

Even the pandemic spike didn't rise to the level of violent crime at its peak in the 80s/early 90s. Crime rates across the country had been falling for nearly 30 years before 2020 when Trump started squawking about how US cities were war zones that are no-go areas for his base of scared white people who would never even go to a big city anyway. To this day, I still have brainwashed Trump cult friends who swear to me that there are gangs of illegal immigrants terrorizing any normal citizens who dare enter Philadelphia or any big city. I don't know whether to laugh at them or cry because they exist.

[NewtownBucks]

Originally Posted by lpranger467

I've read studies from San Fransisco & New York where between 65-93% (depending on where study was conducted) of homeless refuse shelter. When people refuse assistance, it should not be at the burden or residents who have to deal with tent cities, public defecation etc-. I'm glad that municipalities are now pushing for a more forceful solution after realizing that handouts alone are not solving the issue.

Mental health/illness is really the driver of a lot of these problems, and it started when we started closing asylums and forcing mentally ill people out into the streets in the 80s. I'm glad the city is being proactive about the issue, but it's likely that there is a better solution with an involuntary mental health/social services type place that would be better (and cheaper) than prison to house them.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by NewtownBucks

Mental health/illness is really the driver of a lot of these problems, and it started when we started closing asylums and forcing mentally ill people out into the streets in the 80s. I'm glad the city is being proactive about the issue, but it's likely that there is a better solution with an involuntary mental health/social services type place that would be better (and cheaper) than prison to house them.

The mental hospitals got closed because the conditions within them were also pretty horrific; the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" scratched the surface of the problem, while the documentary "Titicut Follies" — which could not and I believe still cannot be screened in the state containing the mental hospital (still open) it was shot in — provides a rawer depiction of it.

The problem was: The advocates for their closure envisioned a system of community- or neighborhood-based residential facilities where treatment and services could be provided. But many states simply saw a way to get a large expense off their ledger books and closed them anyway without any replacements in place.

We've been paying the (IMO even higher) price for those decisions ever since.

[NewtownBucks]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

The mental hospitals got closed because the conditions within them were also pretty horrific; the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" scratched the surface of the problem, while the documentary "Titicut Follies" — which could not and I believe still cannot be screened in the state containing the mental hospital (still open) it was shot in — provides a rawer depiction of it.

The problem was: The advocates for their closure envisioned a system of community- or neighborhood-based residential facilities where treatment and services could be provided. But many states simply saw a way to get a large expense off their ledger books and closed them anyway without any replacements in place.

We've been paying the (IMO even higher) price for those decisions ever since.

What you are saying is obviously true and living in the asylums was no picnic nor was it cutting edge healthcare, but it was still better than housing them in prison or forcing them onto the streets. As you said, we're paying a higher cost now without them.

[Mayvenne]

Well what a lovely discussion we are having here.. If you think that I am being a sensationalist (bye '???) and based on no reality, we have more of a problem here. Calling names and belittling? Seriously

Please, I know I've seen more intelligent discourse here and I hope this was a one off.

[thedirtypirate]

Originally Posted by Mayvenne

Well what a lovely discussion we are having here.. If you think that I am being a sensationalist (bye '???) and based on no reality, we have more of a problem here. Calling names and belittling? Seriously
Please, I know I've seen more intelligent discourse here and I hope this was a one off.

Lol. Since you have the arrogance to imply others aren't responding intelligently, lets rewind the tape here for a second (I'm just reading these posts now anyway). You stated:

Originally Posted by Mayvenne

I think the chaos with the "protests" has really added a new element of out of control. I was hesitant to go into Philly anyway. I do not feel that I would be safe there. Thanks no thanks.

I mean, in reality, this is an ignorant statement. What else do you want people to say?

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by thedirtypirate

Lol. Since you have the arrogance to imply others aren't responding intelligently, lets rewind the tape here for a second (I'm just reading these posts now anyway). You stated:



I mean, in reality, this is an ignorant statement. What else do you want people to say?

Honestly, Mayvenne. If you're going to make such comments you should expect reaction that is much more pointed than this.

Your comment shows that you don't live here. So making asinine comments about life here is always going to ruffle feathers. You don't want to come here. All I was saying is that those of us who live here are comfortable with your decision.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by NewtownBucks

Even the pandemic spike didn't rise to the level of violent crime at its peak in the 80s/early 90s. Crime rates across the country had been falling for nearly 30 years before 2020 when Trump started squawking about how US cities were war zones that are no-go areas for his base of scared white people who would never even go to a big city anyway. To this day, I still have brainwashed Trump cult friends who swear to me that there are gangs of illegal immigrants terrorizing any normal citizens who dare enter Philadelphia or any big city. I don't know whether to laugh at them or cry because they exist.

The pandemic spike didn't rise to the level of violent crime at its peak in the 80s/early 90s? It did in Philly, homicides exceeded the totals from that era.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

George Floyd Weekend did lead me to pen this essay, but I don't think that the city's image took that much of a hit because of the Walnut Street rampage, even if it followed a script written in advance.

But the reason Philly's image didn't suffer a hit was: There were similar riots in other cities that weekend, and anyway, the events in Minneapolis itself sucked up most of the media oxygen.

I'd say the pandemic crime spike has caused more damage to the city's image, and the Kensington opioid bazaar even more. Crime has fallen since the pandemic spike, and yet you see and hear people (like Mayvenne) talking as though this place were still "Killadelphia," where you took your life into your hands every time you left home. But the videos of Kensington Avenue have gone viral multiple times over, and that's led some to think that most of Philadelphia looks like that. I'm glad Mayor Parker has chosen to finally clean that up.

Of course it's expected to immediately get the ''it happened in other cities as well'' response but my post is rooted in your 2nd paragraph/1st sentence. Of course it was the post-2020 George Floyd lie protests followed by a wild west few years of gun violence mayhem; about 1,800 black folks were killed by other black folks, something I've been stating about the collateral fallout from the white misfits using the black community as a means for their own personal and political ends, akin to the 2nd article you cite: white people use the black community and the black community suffers the deadly consequences

You should update the ''righteous outrage'' in 2024 related to the 2020 article given that the entire Floyd thing is and was based on a lie. Same as this Criminal Reform, DEI, Drivers' Equality Bill nonsense....all b.s. with dangerous consequences.

Philly's not-so-great image did take a big hit from 2020-2023 due to the gun violence and murders, the hands-off prosecution from you-know-who etc and as recently as last fall when Meatball became a national hit looting the Apple Store on Walnut.

But hey, the self-anointed white folks determined to fix black folks lives because these patronizing racists think they can't do things for themselves, did the job: the Rizzo Statue and Mural are gone! (but don't mention the 1,800 dead black folks, including lots of black kids, when the white movement known as BLM abruptly ended on November 7, 2020).