What is the the Greater Philly Metro Area? (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: city hall, hotel)

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by zip95

So half of Norristown, King of Prussia, and the Montgomery mall are outside the Metro???



Actually 29 Miles from Southern Quakertown to Ogantz Ave.


Only in Your opinion....I respectfully think that is to small. Using your criteria we are probably excluding half a million (or more) people who spend their Friday nights at Ruth's Chris on S. Broad.

Philly culture, commuting, media, etc do not stop at a 25 mile circu****ence.



Odd, you want to include West Chester, but not Montongomeryville? Hatboro, but not Doylstown? Collegeville is in, but the North Penn school district is out?



I consider NorthWest to be 422 towards Pottstown / Reading. North is 476 or 309 or 611 towards Quakertown / Allentown. West is 30 or 3 towards Downingtown / Coatsville.

The most densely populated directions are North and NorthWest. So I would extend the metro all the way north to Quakertown / Doylestown and all the way NorthWest to Pottstown. I would go as far west as Coatsville.

Ask people in any one of these border towns, "what do you hate the most about SEPTA".....I bet you get an ear full.

Take a valium picky-ricky.I thought I was anal but you have me beat by a country mile or perhaps more like 20 country miles between Montgomeryville and Quakertown.

Its good to know people in the nether regions of the metro are so defensive about being left out.

[zip95]

Originally Posted by rainrock

Take a valium picky-ricky.I thought I was anal but you have me beat by a country mile or perhaps more like 20 country miles between Montgomeryville and Quakertown.

I'm being picky-ricky??? Ok...I'll give you that. Let's just agree that I'm right and I'll stop ;-) Just kidding. No more nit-picking

Originally Posted by rainrock

Its good to know people in the nether regions of the metro are so defensive about being left out.

If that's the case then I should be REALLY defensive.......I live in Suburban Pittsburgh.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by zip95

If that's the case then I should be REALLY defensive.......I live in Suburban Pittsburgh.

Don't feel badly. I live in Suburban Scranton, yet I'm watching as horror as Pike and Monroe Counties, adjacent to my own, are becoming integral parts of the NYC MSA.

[toobusytoday]

zip,
The people in the counties not in the traditional Phil metro areas don't neccessarily commute or maybe even care about center city Philadelphia. When my husband and I lived in Delaware and Chester counties we didn't commute or have that much more to do with Philadelphia then we do now living in Lehigh county. Many people commute to the other suburbs, not to the city. My husband worked for GE and commuted to King of Prussia for many years. Some people commuted to Wilmington. We never lived in Philadelphia or it's inner suburbs so there was no attachment. Lot's of people are like that. Just because there is growth spreading outside of Philadelphia, doesn't mean that it's FROM Philadelphia. As far as I know SEPTA doesn't go into Quakertown and there sure isn't any regional rail there either. Guess we could complain about that.

But thanks for the insight from Pitt!

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by rainrock

You have to draw a line somewhere and for me its the 202 corridor. Technically I suppose Quakertown would be considered metro Philadelphia but its 50 miles from Philadelphia- thats about the same distance as Lancaster-Philaldephia.

The 25 mile circu****ence is a truer gauge for Philadelphia which is a big but not supersized metro(NYC-Chi-LA) That takes you from Chadds Ford-West Chester- Collegeville-Ambler-Hatboro. In due time development will expand NW but not just yet imo.

I think if you're talking about most of Philly's older suburbs, you'd be right -- but as someone who grew up in more recently suburban area NW of Philadelphia, I can attest to the fact that development already HAS expanded, and quite much so. Just look at the commuter corridor surrounding 422 and you will know exactly what I'm talking about -- housing developments, strip malls, and office centers seemingly springing out of no where. The 25 mile "cut" also excludes historically important towns like Phoenixville and Pottstown, which are inextricably linked to the Philadelphia region. No, Philadelphia's metro region is not as as large as NYC's, Chicago's, or LA's, but it is certainly next in line. I'm not trying to turn this into a huge debate, but I honestly don't think that anything less than a metropolitan radius of 50 miles (if not more) gives justice to the cultural and geographical impact of our nation's fifth largest city.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by toobusytoday

zip,
The people in the counties not in the traditional Phil metro areas don't neccessarily commute or maybe even care about center city Philadelphia. When my husband and I lived in Delaware and Chester counties we didn't commute or have that much more to do with Philadelphia then we do now living in Lehigh county. Many people commute to the other suburbs, not to the city. My husband worked for GE and commuted to King of Prussia for many years. Some people commuted to Wilmington. We never lived in Philadelphia or it's inner suburbs so there was no attachment. Lot's of people are like that. Just because there is growth spreading outside of Philadelphia, doesn't mean that it's FROM Philadelphia. As far as I know SEPTA doesn't go into Quakertown and there sure isn't any regional rail there either. Guess we could complain about that.

But thanks for the insight from Pitt!

I know plenty of people in this boat as well -- commuting to OTHER suburbs instead of the city itself. However, these suburbs, especially King of Prussia in its provision of economic/consumer significance to the region due to the lack of a more solidified upscale shopping district in Philly, for example, did indeed spawn orginially as a result of families' desires to depart from Philadelphia. Principally, that is the impetus for all suburbia -- providing a life (ideally) without the hectic, risky, and often more expensive lifestyle of the city.

As for the Lehigh Valley being included in Metro Philadelphia, they are still definitely two independent entities -- but it would be very inaccurate to deny that there is any overlap. If I can still hear KYW in Allentown, I think that speaks volume. Literally.

[zip95]

Originally Posted by toobusytoday

zip,
The people in the counties not in the traditional Phil metro areas don't neccessarily commute or maybe even care about center city Philadelphia. When my husband and I lived in Delaware and Chester counties we didn't commute or have that much more to do with Philadelphia then we do now living in Lehigh county. Many people commute to the other suburbs, not to the city. My husband worked for GE and commuted to King of Prussia for many years. Some people commuted to Wilmington. We never lived in Philadelphia or it's inner suburbs so there was no attachment. Lot's of people are like that. Just because there is growth spreading outside of Philadelphia, doesn't mean that it's FROM Philadelphia. As far as I know SEPTA doesn't go into Quakertown and there sure isn't any regional rail there either. Guess we could complain about that.

But thanks for the insight from Pitt!

Your entire post disputes points that you have created from thin air. None of my posts said anything like this.

[zip95]

What's the story in Jersery and Delaware. I hear NYC MSA is starting to approach Trenton.

[toobusytoday]

Look zip, the people that actually live in Eastern PA have given you our feelings (me ) and definitions (rainrock and dunderino) and you just don't agree. So what? Why is it so important to you that the greater Philadelphia area includes more areas?

[newmarlig]

I think the Philly metro area reached further when Ed Rendell was the mayor.