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OP, happy ending massages aren't just for men, you know. Women clients in the US have sometimes been surprised by being given a "happy ending"--which does involve penetration--without ever being told that the service is offered or included. So what then? A crime has been committed.
These happy ending massages are considered unethical in the massage business. All massage therapists get training in ethics, and are required to get continued training in ethics. These ethics courses are very clear about avoiding patients' private parts, and about any behavior that could be remotely suggestive or ambiguous as a come-on. Massage therapists can end up with charges filed against them if they're not very careful about covering the client properly and avoiding certain areas with their hands. They're required to ask the client's permission to do any kind of touch in the general vicinity of the genital area or the gluteal area, including the upper thighs. Even with permission, misunderstandings sometimes occur.
So "morality" isn't discussed. What's discussed is ethics, avoiding traumatizing the patient (touch anywhere on the body can raise traumatic memories), and staying out of legal trouble. "Maintaining professional boundaries" is the way it's presented, and that goes for verbal conduct with the patient as well.
Are happy ending massages ethical if the client requests it or approves it? Not in the US they're not. Not by national massage association standards.
First of all, "ethics" do not vary from country to country. If it's ethical in the US, it's ethical in Thailand, and vice-versa.
Second of all, I have known many a prostitute, some good people, some bad people, but none of them would I describe as a "caliber of woman who would never stoop this low, as to sell her body for money." That kind of language and description I would reserve for lefty trolls.
First of all, "ethics" do not vary from country to country. If it's ethical in the US, it's ethical in Thailand, and vice-versa. If so, which country gets to decide what is ethical?
That's not true. Would you argue that what is ethical for a used motorbike salesman in the US is the same as in Thailand? On one end is the dubious morality of salesmanship, on the other is the extent that courts will go to to protect one party if there is litigation over a sales contract.
There are three issues here: Law, ethics, and morality. Do not confuse them. Morality is the same everywhere, regardless of law, and regardless of ethics. Law is a function of the local community standards, imposed on everyone, with enforced penalties provided for violations. Ethics is a set of agreed-upon standards that a subset of the community uses to regulate certain activities, such as business, journalism, medical practice, etc. The fact that something is unethical does not make it immoral, nor is it illegal unless laws are enacted regulating the practice. However, professional ethics may be (but not always are) codified into law, with judicial penalties imposed for "unethical practice" of certain professions, such as medicine, in which the general public can be victimized.
Take Journalism for example. The moral thing for a journalist to do is to disclose an objective truth that does no harm to an innocent party. But it is often unethical to do so, such as to publish pre-trial that a person committed a crime, no matter how true the statement is. However, it is not illegal to do so, and a journalist does not commit a crime by so doing. But a journalist does commit a crime if he discloses classified documents, which is certainly not immoral, and may or may not be considered unethical by some members of his profession, and not others.
Furthermore, Ethics do vary from country to country, and in fact, vary from profession to profession. What is unethical for a lawyer is very different from what is unethical for a baseball player, even though either can be banned from his profession by violation of ethical standards imposed on them by their peers. sometimes even referred to as "unwritten rules".
Ethics is, then, a local group of practitioners drawing a line of immorality beyond which they will not go, in order to protect the reputation of their profession. Every TV commercial immorally attempts to sell a product to people who do not need nor want it. There is an ethical line they will not cross, but they are not the same.
Finally, at the bottom, there is in every country an equilibrium between the ethics of practitioners, and the reasonable expectations of the clientele. Each is a mutual function of the other, and are highly variable from one country to another.
It is true that the philosophical treatment of morality is often categorized as "Ethics", but that is a different definition of ethics, than that which is addressed in this topic.
These happy ending massages are considered unethical in the massage business. All massage therapists get training in ethics, and are required to get continued training in ethics. These ethics courses are very clear about avoiding patients' private parts, and about any behavior that could be remotely suggestive or ambiguous as a come-on. Massage therapists can end up with charges filed against them if they're not very careful about covering the client properly and avoiding certain areas with their hands. They're required to ask the client's permission to do any kind of touch in the general vicinity of the genital area or the gluteal area, including the upper thighs. Even with permission, misunderstandings sometimes occur.
So "morality" isn't discussed. What's discussed is ethics, avoiding traumatizing the patient (touch anywhere on the body can raise traumatic memories), and staying out of legal trouble. "Maintaining professional boundaries" is the way it's presented, and that goes for verbal conduct with the patient as well.
Are happy ending massages ethical if the client requests it or approves it? Not in the US they're not. Not by national massage association standards.
With all the thousands of those who have become massage therapists, "victims" of the mob-like massage schools in this country, over the past 20 years, and realizing that during a recession such luxuries go to the bottom of the totem pole, with therapists fighting to acquire new clients, let alone maintain their existing clientele, how many today can even spell the word ethics?
I've been in the massage business 25 years, been thru 2 recessions and the most recent 2nd Great Depression. I saw it happening with the first recession: clients that used to come every 2 weeks, now came every 2-3 months, leaving you struggling to get new clients to fill the void.
This 2nd Great Depression has beat out the last 2 recessions. Once a month now becomes once every 3 or 6 months. A few now, once a year! Phone doesn't even ring anymore even for the curious callers!
Without my 2nd job, there's no way I could make it with massage, even with happy endings!
I chuckle everytime I see a massage therapist advertising today: Nonsexual only! One of the reasons for stating that is to try and fool the police!
but now in the most massage shops with happy ending sexual intercourse is offered too and will be practiced. this has become now the first position of the happy ending services - a quick **** maybe like a one-night stand.
are now all these arguments about morality, ethics and sociology still the same or has it become a new kind of quality?
for the massage lady and for her customer? because now it is real prostitution.
but now in the most massage shops with happy ending sexual intercourse is offered too and will be practiced. this has become now the first position of the happy ending services - a quick **** maybe like a one-night stand.
are now all these arguments about morality, ethics and sociology still the same or has it become a new kind of quality?
for the massage lady and for her customer? because now it is real prostitution.
In the US "respectable" people sell their souls every day in all sorts of jobs.
To my mind worse than voluntarily selling your body.
True.
In private, between consenting adults, the morality of others has no place. IMO anything goes. It's up to the individual to decide what is right for themselves.
If it starts out to be a "massage" and winds up with a "happy ending", at exactly what point does it cross the line into "immoral"? Is it immoral to even get on the plane, if there is the expectation of a happy ending, whether or not it ever materializes?
As far as the Texas statute, prostitution is defined as offering to engage, agreeing to engage, or engaging in sexual conduct for a fee. Sexual conduct is not limited to intercourse.
Regardless, morality is subjective. I am of the opinion that what you do with your body and money is no one's business, as long as it is consensual. You don't need to justify why you're doing it any more than anyone needs to justify why they're opposed. It's a personal decision.
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