Reason most people want to leave Phoenix (Nogales: fit in, big home)

[Nanny Goat]

Originally Posted by AZParents

If you're not a hot-weather person, you will eventually resent Phoenix/Scottsdale. I am not a hot weather person, and every year that goes by I become less and less tolerant of the heat. People used to tell me "If you make it through the first summer, you're golden!" I have found this to be untrue for me. As soon as our daughter finishes Kindergarten next spring, we are outta here.

The people, jobs, etc etc really aren't an issue for me. There's good people and idiots everywhere. I just can't take the endless, endless heat. When people say "It beats shoveling snow!" I disagree. I lived the first 28 yrs of my life in lots of snow and can't wait to live in it again.

Yup, I never acclimated to the heat, whatever that might mean. It's hot and in your face, how does one adjust except maybe denial? When I lived in the 4 seasons, I remember Jan. and Feb. being kinda depressing--enough of the cold--but not such an issue like the heat. By March, the robins are singing, the plants are breaking through the soil and the snow is melting. And, the change of seasons is really neat, looking back--as soon as you're sick of one, it changes.

[notmuch69]

Originally Posted by Phoenix lady

Yup, I never acclimated to the heat, whatever that might mean. It's hot and in your face, how does one adjust except maybe denial? When I lived in the 4 seasons, I remember Jan. and Feb. being kinda depressing--enough of the cold--but not such an issue like the heat. By March, the robins are singing, the plants are breaking through the soil and the snow is melting. And, the change of seasons is really neat, looking back--as soon as you're sick of one, it changes.

Spot on

[notmuch69]

Originally Posted by AZParents

If you're not a hot-weather person, you will eventually resent Phoenix/Scottsdale. I am not a hot weather person, and every year that goes by I become less and less tolerant of the heat. People used to tell me "If you make it through the first summer, you're golden!" I have found this to be untrue for me. As soon as our daughter finishes Kindergarten next spring, we are outta here.

The people, jobs, etc etc really aren't an issue for me. There's good people and idiots everywhere. I just can't take the endless, endless heat. When people say "It beats shoveling snow!" I disagree. I lived the first 28 yrs of my life in lots of snow and can't wait to live in it again.

Agree. The only time I enjoy any of the 8 months of summer here is the .2% of the time I spend in a lake, river, or pool. The rest of the time the heat makes me quite irritable.
Cold winter weather can be a little depressing at times but it's peaceful and refreshing at the same time. I personally can have much more fun outdoors in 0 degrees than in 113 degrees.

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by jimj

I'd have to disagree about the affirmative action thing. I won't go into a long explanation as to why since it'd certainly throw this thread off topic. Short answer is I believe in merit/ability over color of one's skin.
I also get why you started the two different threads and appreciate that you did. Gives a place where people should be able to voice TWO distinctly different opinions of a subject without fear of having it go sideways or be misunderstood. I guess that'd be one of my BIGGEST complaints (not just relegated to AZ btw) which is that there's very little civility between people anymore. Conversations start out civil enough but as soon as one person can't be converted over to the other person's way of thinking all civility goes out the window and it's game on big time...
Sad, truly sad...

Yea, a lot of people don't agree with me on that one, I understand why. Part of it for me is the climate in AZ. I know people that would be glad they don't have to hire people of color and wouldn't. They do because they have to and I just don't want to see a lot of color out of work here. Plus, it's a little personal.
Part of it is that it wasn't that long ago it was put into place. It's everything at once in AZ, it feels prejudice here coming from a persona with darker skin, it's the feel of it but I'm the first to admit I like more of a socialist climate and I know I am at odds with my attitude in America as a whole so I understand why many people want it gone. I just feel like we are going backwards lately in AZ, probably because we are moving further away from how I view things and I understand that it's my deal, which is why I will leave eventually. I'm a long timer here and things have changed a lot over the years. I guess growth will do that, I'm in need of a smaller town, less cars, pollution and attitude.

Thanks, yea, I do respect peoples differences and not so naive to think everyone will feel the same way as I do, of course not, and if I was different I might want to stay here as well. If I was a republican, and liked guns and hated illegals and abortion, and all of that stuff this place would be heaven. No doubt.
I do agree, a lot of hostility as of late, even I feel it, things are divided here, and we have such a melting pot of people it would be hard to see things the same way. Rarely do I meet any long timers here, it feels like people move in, and five years later move out. A lot of turnaround makes it unfriendly in a fake kind of way. Like, I'm waving to you but I don't mean come over here. LOL That's what worries me with the gun law, arguments that might result in shootings. I just have to hope gun owners take responsibility, and trust they will not be reckless. I agree with hunting, but the handgun thing, not so much.

I've been finding jokes don't go very far anymore either, you joke around and people get upset, really fast. I wonder if thats just here in AZ or it's the climate of the country right now. I wouldn't know, I haven't been anywhere else to find out.

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Phoenix lady

Yup, I never acclimated to the heat, whatever that might mean. It's hot and in your face, how does one adjust except maybe denial? When I lived in the 4 seasons, I remember Jan. and Feb. being kinda depressing--enough of the cold--but not such an issue like the heat. By March, the robins are singing, the plants are breaking through the soil and the snow is melting. And, the change of seasons is really neat, looking back--as soon as you're sick of one, it changes.

I'm so ready for that! I really am excited to see snow and have spring be spring, etc.

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Kimballette

If you need to explain "wit," then the "wit" was probably not that witty.

And your victim mentality is over the top. No one is "shutting down" your thread. Some people are disagreeing with you and taking you to task for some of your comments. As a result -->

Probably not, I am not as funny as I think I am.

This is puzzling though, why would you feel the need to take me to task? We are just talking about things we agree on here. We have been civil about what we don't agree on as well. We all have different reasons mixed in with similar ones.
Like I said before, what's the point? This thread is about why we want to leave, not why we want to stay.
If you guys feel it's your job on cd to police threads then maybe you can apply for a mod job. Other than that I don't know why you keep harassing people for their comments I asked them to give?

[twiggy]

Originally Posted by Kimballette

You might want to get out a bit more if this is how you relieve boredom.

Ok, yea, I should get out more and maybe it's not your idea of how I should relieve my boredom. I'm sure that could apply to anyone at sometime, including me.
And yes, maybe you are making me cry!

I'll accept the victim label. I'd rather be sensitive than a bully, I don't get into that bullying mentality. Sorry! Maybe thats why I'm uncomfortable in this state, it seems to have more of a "bully" mentality lately, I don't like it. I think there are other ways to handle it.
One of the reasons I would like to try living someplace else for a while and see if this hostility is everywhere or people are right and it's more here. IDK, I will have to check it out and see for myself I guess. Seems like others have seen some better places around the U.S. for people like me. I'm sure you don't wish I'd stay, so this should make us both happy.

[phxgreenfire]

Originally Posted by twiggy

If you guys feel it's your job on cd to police threads then maybe you can apply for a mod job. Other than that I don't know why you keep harassing people for their comments I asked them to give?

Because, twiggy, that's a reflection of how fake Arizona is: LESS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!!! Yet... so many people in this state favor an authoritarian, law-and-order approach to everything... which ironically includes the government and their lives. Eerily enough, climate/ecosystem and architecture aside, the one place on Earth I've been that most closely resembles Phoenix is Moscow... aside from a city full of nasty, unpleasant people, extremely wide roads and identical building after identical building, the dystopian vibe resonates with me in both cities.

[jimj]

Originally Posted by phxgreenfire

Because, twiggy, that's a reflection of how fake Arizona is: LESS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!!! Yet... so many people in this state favor an authoritarian, law-and-order approach to everything... which ironically includes the government and their lives. Eerily enough, climate/ecosystem and architecture aside, the one place on Earth I've been that most closely resembles Phoenix is Moscow... aside from a city full of nasty, unpleasant people, extremely wide roads and identical building after identical building, the dystopian vibe resonates with me in both cities.

Great, another $100 word I've got to look up! (dystopian?)

[Nanny Goat]

Originally Posted by phxgreenfire

Eerily enough, climate/ecosystem and architecture aside, the one place on Earth I've been that most closely resembles Phoenix is Moscow... aside from a city full of nasty, unpleasant people, extremely wide roads and identical building after identical building, the dystopian vibe resonates with me in both cities.

We need to get those racoon hats that they have in Moscow. We could wear them in the winter.