If you needed further proof of impending disaster... (to buy, assessment)

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by TurcoLoco

Please leave me out of it, I said no such thing!

My Bad.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I don't mind. Burning Madolf is a good egg. He isn't too far off the mark.

I appreciate the kind words. Maybe in the near future there will be some kind of solar flare/storm that will restore sanity as well as basic financial responsibilities (or at least basic math and accounting).

[Karl Lagos]

It's a freaking desert. Been like that for a long time. White man magic made liveable. That's the story.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Karl Lagos

It's a freaking desert. Been like that for a long time. White man magic made liveable. That's the story.

Please, learn your history before you pop in a thread and share your political leanings. It was the Hohokam tribe that made it livable for over 2,000 years. To make the dry Salt River Valley inhabitable, the tribe constructed a wide-range system of irrigation canals.

The bell-shaped curve strikes again.

[waltcolorado]

I speculated before and no one corrected me that there is a very strong correlation to folks who think climate just changes, this is normal, we are not causing climate change so cant do anything about it, scientists have been wrong about everything etc. with the news sources of Fox, Newsmax, conservative radio.

And when asked for any proof, we never see any from actual scientific sources. And somehow, that still doesn't matter. We could repeat this thread to prove all this once again.

And.. this is so ingrained after decades of the fossil fuel misinformation machine spending now around $200,000,000 annually on the deception. (already posted links on this, do we need to see them again) that in the 2024 Republican presidential debates, this question was asked “Do you believe human behavior is causing climate change? Raise your hand if you do.”

None did.

https://www.vox.com/climate/23815966...e-denial-trees

The science (do we need to post all the references again..) says that we are causing the warming -primarily by CO2 from burning fossil fuel. Science is also saying that even if we totally stopped all burning of fossil fuel use now, the CO2 levels (and current warming) would remain for centuries and we would not even see things stabilize for decades.

Trying to get the whole planet to actually do something that will have a huge cost and we would not even see things stabilize for decades.. Hmmm.. I think about zero chance of that happening.

I think its just going to get weirder with patterns that folks are used to changing. My opinion only.. first we will see property insurance going up in more vulnerable locations (actually happening now). Then some places currently inhabited just wont be able to get insurance unless the gov steps in - but how long will that last. There will be winners and losers, losers for example might lose everything due to uninsured property getting destroyed. Better put up more border fences, the losers are going to want to move to where the winners are. All just my speculation and will take decades or even a century to play out..

If you really want to see what the IPCC is predicting, you can read about it here
https://www.ipcc.ch/2021/08/09/ar6-w...beyond%20reach.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The climate hawks see climate change as the world's greatest existential crisis and have absolutely no problem throwing billions and trillions of dollars at the issue (deputy sect of energy Turk says the net cost of going carbon neutral is about $50 trillion).

There, I've linked it to this thread: debt accumulated by governments, especially to supposedly fight climate change, will make life incredibly difficult for MN's unborn grandchild (and everyone else).

You're just playing pure politics.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

You're just playing pure politics.

Well at least you didn't call me a conspiracy theorist.

If you want to see who is playing pure politics, do an internet search of political appointee Admiral Levine's recent climate message. It's a perfect depiction of political intersectional insanity and shows how political hacks will use climate as a cudgel to beat us all over the head (while they empty our wallets).

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

Well at least you didn't call me a conspiracy theorist.

If you want to see who is playing pure politics, do an internet search of political appointee Admiral Levine's recent climate message. It's a perfect depiction of political intersectional insanity and shows how political hacks will use climate as a cudgel to beat us all over the head (while they empty our wallets).

Are you referencing this (not sure of the pronoun) who said: "Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of Black communities,” Levine said in a Black History Month message."
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-w...-history-month

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Are you referencing this (not sure of the pronoun) who said: "Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of Black communities,” Levine said in a Black History Month message."
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-w...-history-month

Yep. Still not as good as this one from the Czar:
"When you have bombs going off and you have damage to septic tanks or to power centers, et cetera, you have an enormous release of greenhouse gas of methane, all of the family of greenhouse gases," Kerry told MSNBC. "And the result is it's adding to the problem."

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

Yep. Still not as good as this one from the Czar:
"When you have bombs going off and you have damage to septic tanks or to power centers, et cetera, you have an enormous release of greenhouse gas of methane, all of the family of greenhouse gases," Kerry told MSNBC. "And the result is it's adding to the problem."

I see what he means. Our family has a septic system at our MN home. Because we are so green, we harvest our man-made methane gas and it powers a turbine into electricity. That electricity powers my EV and it heats our house. Next, we sell the remaining back to the gas company. So my carbon footprint is pretty crappy. But in a good way!

All kidding aside, someone with a brain needs to lead. Too many of our "leaders" can't see the forest for the trees.