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Phoenix is fortunate to not need to worry about forest fire or flooding, certainly not sea level rise (about 1.3 inches every ten years at the moment).
We have seen plenty of discussions about water in AZ and for the most part, it will just end up costing more and people will adapt. Will there be less precipitation or maybe even more precipitation.. who knows and this varies anyhow every year. But the interesting thing is that less river water in general ends up down stream because of increased evaporation, sublimation melting of snow and the warmer dryer ground just soaks up more of the snow melt. This link https://blogs.edf.org/growingreturns...o-river-basin/
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With each additional 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) of warming, the Colorado River’s average flow drops by 9.3%, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. Colorado River flows could be up to one-third less than the current average within a generation
The guy in the link below talks about real estate (I watch this forum mainly because I think it has some of the best discussion on RE)
Starting on January 1, 2025, the Arizona Department of Water Resources Fifth Management Plan will take effect. This plan will result in a 30-40% reduction in the amount of water available for landscaping for all facilities, including residential communities, across the state
This is a way better problem than property insurance issues because of wild fire or flooding. Ouray Colorado has a small newspaper and there was a recent article regarding someone trying to sell a home in town and the deal fell through because the buyers had trouble getting insurance. Likely because some agency upped the fire risk rating. A little bit alarming for me.. https://www.ouraynews.com/2024/02/07...r-wakeup-call/
A couple of points. I could point to many older articles that claim that the earth isn't warming. Here is one of many: read this 1998 piece that says the earth is cooling and "Many climate change scientists do not agree that global warming is happening." Here you go https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1112950/
Now, if that agrees with your political (not scientific) point of view, you digest this as a fact. i.e., you match the "science" with cherry-picked data that agrees with your viewpoint. That article stated: "Measurements made by means of satellites show no global warming but a cooling of 0.13°C between 1979 and 1994.5 Furthermore, since the theory of global warming assumes maximum warming at the poles, why have average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years?"
Well, here is what has been measured since that 1998 report ^^: "The summer Arctic average temperature was the warmest on record at 43 degrees Fahrenheit (6.4 Celsius). Data shows that since 1940, annual average temperatures have risen .45 of a degree Fahrenheit (.25 of a degree Celsius) per decade and average summer temperatures have risen .31 of a degree Fahrenheit (.17 of a degree Celsius) per decade." Yep, the earth sure in Hell is warming!
Forgetting the cause of the earth's warming (natural warming versus manmade.... or both), People are so damn politically hardened in their beliefs that they cannot even agree that: 1. climate is warming. 2. Glaciers are receding. 3. Ocean chemistry is becoming acidic. 4. Sea levels are rising 5. Polar ice is melting. So the anti-climate change crowd is now slowly transforming that the earth is NOT warming to "it's just the earth changing as it always has". Again, that is the new talking point of a certain political POV. While there is a true possibility, I won't trust someone's thoughts if they are hardened in either political camp.
Lastly, that same year in 1998, a Penn State scientist was accused of manipulating climate data. Well, Michael Mann, then-professor of atmospheric science at Penn State just won a $1M lawsuit from an author from the National Review. Mr. Mann's, 1998 depiction of the change in global surface temperature that looked like a "hockey stick" was heavily controversial. Here is an updated graph https://time.com/6328017/climate-change-hockey-stick/ It's still going up.
Big picture: whatever the cause, I hope people can stop arguing that the temps are "not" increasing. if so, then some people are STILL struggling with the "science" of measured temperatures. Lol
A couple of points. I could point to many older articles that claim that the earth isn't warming. Here is one of many: read this 1998 piece that says the earth is cooling and "Many climate change scientists do not agree that global warming is happening." Here you go https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1112950/
Now, if that agrees with your political (not scientific) point of view, you digest this as a fact. i.e., you match the "science" with cherry-picked data that agrees with your viewpoint. That article stated: "Measurements made by means of satellites show no global warming but a cooling of 0.13°C between 1979 and 1994.5 Furthermore, since the theory of global warming assumes maximum warming at the poles, why have average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years?"
Well, here is what has been measured since that 1998 report ^^: "The summer Arctic average temperature was the warmest on record at 43 degrees Fahrenheit (6.4 Celsius). Data shows that since 1940, annual average temperatures have risen .45 of a degree Fahrenheit (.25 of a degree Celsius) per decade and average summer temperatures have risen .31 of a degree Fahrenheit (.17 of a degree Celsius) per decade." Yep, the earth sure in Hell is warming!
Forgetting the cause of the earth's warming (natural warming versus manmade.... or both), People are so damn politically hardened in their beliefs that they cannot even agree that: 1. climate is warming. 2. Glaciers are receding. 3. Ocean chemistry is becoming acidic. 4. Sea levels are rising 5. Polar ice is melting. So the anti-climate change crowd is now slowly transforming that the earth is NOT warming to "it's just the earth changing as it always has". Again, that is the new talking point of a certain political POV. While there is a true possibility, I won't trust someone's thoughts if they are hardened in either political camp.
Lastly, that same year in 1998, a Penn State scientist was accused of manipulating climate data. Well, Michael Mann, then-professor of atmospheric science at Penn State just won a $1M lawsuit from an author from the National Review. Mr. Mann's, 1998 depiction of the change in global surface temperature that looked like a "hockey stick" was heavily controversial. Here is an updated graph https://time.com/6328017/climate-change-hockey-stick/ It's still going up.
Big picture: whatever the cause, I hope people can stop arguing that the temps are "not" increasing. if so, then some people are STILL struggling with the "science" of measured temperatures. Lol
The Earth will fix itself like it has for millions of years. We will intervene and cause even more havoc. Kind of like how Hawaii introduces a new species on the islands to combat another species, and things quickly spiral out of control (https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...r-catastrophe/). Our solutions will just cause new problems.
A couple of points. I could point to many older articles that claim that the earth isn't warming. Here is one of many: read this 1998 piece that says the earth is cooling and "Many climate change scientists do not agree that global warming is happening." Here you go https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1112950/
Now, if that agrees with your political (not scientific) point of view, you digest this as a fact. i.e., you match the "science" with cherry-picked data that agrees with your viewpoint. That article stated: "Measurements made by means of satellites show no global warming but a cooling of 0.13°C between 1979 and 1994.5 Furthermore, since the theory of global warming assumes maximum warming at the poles, why have average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years?"
Well, here is what has been measured since that 1998 report ^^: "The summer Arctic average temperature was the warmest on record at 43 degrees Fahrenheit (6.4 Celsius). Data shows that since 1940, annual average temperatures have risen .45 of a degree Fahrenheit (.25 of a degree Celsius) per decade and average summer temperatures have risen .31 of a degree Fahrenheit (.17 of a degree Celsius) per decade." Yep, the earth sure in Hell is warming!
Forgetting the cause of the earth's warming (natural warming versus manmade.... or both), People are so damn politically hardened in their beliefs that they cannot even agree that: 1. climate is warming. 2. Glaciers are receding. 3. Ocean chemistry is becoming acidic. 4. Sea levels are rising 5. Polar ice is melting. So the anti-climate change crowd is now slowly transforming that the earth is NOT warming to "it's just the earth changing as it always has". Again, that is the new talking point of a certain political POV. While there is a true possibility, I won't trust someone's thoughts if they are hardened in either political camp.
Lastly, that same year in 1998, a Penn State scientist was accused of manipulating climate data. Well, Michael Mann, then-professor of atmospheric science at Penn State just won a $1M lawsuit from an author from the National Review. Mr. Mann's, 1998 depiction of the change in global surface temperature that looked like a "hockey stick" was heavily controversial. Here is an updated graph https://time.com/6328017/climate-change-hockey-stick/ It's still going up.
Big picture: whatever the cause, I hope people can stop arguing that the temps are "not" increasing. if so, then some people are STILL struggling with the "science" of measured temperatures. Lol
I remember hearing an interview with a Dr. Andrew Dressler, Prof. of Atmospheric Science, Texas A&M. He said he'd never debate whether climate change was real/manmade/happening because he said it was a hole he just wouldn't go down. But, he said solutions should absolutely be debated. That's my issue in all of this: there was and continues to be no real debate on a plan (doesn't even have to be called climate change, make it about pollution or better management of air, land and water), it's just throwing money (mostly debt) at an issue and when the money runs out we're no better off than before.
The Mann case is very interesting. He won $2 in defamation payouts but $1 million in punitive damages. He was at Penn St. and now is at Penn but the case was in DC. I will not say anything further less I be dragged into a DC court to defend myself for saying something about a guy in Pennsylvania.
The Earth will fix itself like it has for millions of years. We will intervene and cause even more havoc. Kind of like how Hawaii introduces a new species on the islands to combat another species, and things quickly spiral out of control (https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...r-catastrophe/). Our solutions will just cause new problems.
Don't forget getting rid of farms and the most recent idea of launching a space umbrella the size of Argentina to block the sun.
The article discusses the science and politics of climate change. Noted earlier in this thread that a huge amount of money (like over $100M per year) is spent to deceive the public on climate change in order to protect fossil fuel profits and the interview discusses Dr. Dresslers direct experience with this.
It's a 2023 survey.
1. 16% of Americans think the world isn't warming.
2. 24% of the people said that most scientists think global warming is NOT happening.
3. 36% of the people aren't worried that the planet is warming.
4. 45% of Americans assume that global warming will not personally harm them.
Next, look at the map. It follows people's politics.
It's a 2023 survey.
1. 16% of Americans think the world isn't warming.
2. 24% of the people said that most scientists think global warming is NOT happening.
3. 36% of the people aren't worried that the planet is warming.
4. 45% of Americans assume that global warming will not personally harm them.
Next, look at the map. It follows people's politics.
Al gore is all of the above (1. - 4.) as he never stopped heating his private pool. Secretary Kerry as well - he flies private to collect environmental awards to Iceland.
It's a 2023 survey.
1. 16% of Americans think the world isn't warming.
2. 24% of the people said that most scientists think global warming is NOT happening.
3. 36% of the people aren't worried that the planet is warming.
4. 45% of Americans assume that global warming will not personally harm them.
Next, look at the map. It follows people's politics.
What's your point? Posts like this aren't helpful, but create more division. Most people are dumb - let's just be honest. Plenty of blue voters in the inner cities probably aren't joining MENSA anytime either. I'm so tired of everything becoming politicized. It's old hat and does nothing for the betterment of our society.
To me the lack of push for nuclear goes hand in hand with why we never hear those pushing the current policies talk about abundant clean energy, the ultimate goal is for everyone to reduce their carbon footprint (except those who are "special") by reducing EVERYTHING in their lives from food, to travel, to home size, etc.
Yes, it's my opinion and I've been called a conspiracy theorist in this thread (twice) but the simple question goes back to what I think you said in another thread: why hasn't there been a proposal to build 10 identical nuclear plants all over the country?
The only way to get the public to accept nuclear power is to make it illegal to oppose it. I know it is a free country, but to save the planet sometimes we have to go to drastic measures and limit these freedoms.
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While there is a true possibility, I won't trust someone's thoughts if they are hardened in either political camp. 
