04-20-2012, 03:17 PM
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[quote=Ponderosa;23949295]Anyone flying into Phoenix for the first time is stunned by the number of pools visible from the plane window. quote]
04-20-2012, 04:02 PM
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FMC2012
Overall I think the value a pool adds is that it is a tool in helping get the sale.
Definitely. We sold our home with a pool in Kingman last August, at probably the low point in the market, in two weeks flat. The home next door to ours was a better model and had been on the market for a couple of years! It has no pool, just a big dirt backyard. Nice backyards definitely sell.
It seems to me that it's the banks that set the value on pools. You can ask whatever you want for a home, and even get a buyer at that price. But then the buyer's bank appraises the home base on comps and allows $10K or thereabouts for a pool without even looking at it. Then you have to meet the bank's appraisal or you don't get the sale. Quite annoying.
We loved our pool though. It was totally state of the art and extremely low maintenance. And it was beautiful. That's the advantage of building a pool yourself; you get exactly what you want. Pools are not created equal. If you buy a home with an existing pool, especially an old one, you may be inheriting someone else's maintenance nightmare.
04-20-2012, 04:17 PM
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But then the buyer's bank appraises the home base on comps and allows $10K or thereabouts for a pool without even looking at it.
Based on comps is the important part. Appraisers don't just make up a value, or decide what pools are worth to them personally. The $10k that gets used so much for pools is because that's what they observe in the market. ON AVERAGE here a house with a pool will sell for around $10k more than a similar house without. It doesn't matter what kind of pool, how big, how old, etc. There is no way to tease out the data from comparable sales on details like that, and the banks aren't trying to get things down to the penny. They want a rough estimate of what they can get out of the place should it land in their lap.
04-20-2012, 05:15 PM
Location: State of Superior
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Location is more important than any pool. I have been out with several realtors and they told me a pool makes the home harder to sell. Just the liability along should drive most people away from one of those cement ponds.
04-20-2012, 06:17 PM
Location: Hyrule
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Well, I wouldn't own a home here without one. But, I think all who knows me already knows that. I've only lived in one home without a pool, for 2 years. I hated the summer and heat more than any other time. After that I knew, without a pool I would be a sad woman.
I have a pool again
and thanks to that I'm looking forward to a couple of 100 degree days, not crying about that cool weather ending. I love my swimming and bbq season.
04-20-2012, 06:30 PM
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darstar
Location is more important than any pool. I have been out with several realtors and they told me a pool makes the home harder to sell. Just the liability along should drive most people away from one of those cement ponds.
Perhaps those realtors were just telling you what you want to hear, since you seem to have a problem with pools. Here's a quote for you.
"..
.it's about a 50 – 50 split between people wanting a pool and those that don't. It may be slightly tilted toward those who prefer a pool ."
Source:
My Swimming Pool… Will it Help or Hurt My Home Sale? : Ask The Agent - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy
04-20-2012, 07:46 PM
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Well, I wouldn't own a home here without one. But, I think all who knows me already knows that. I've only lived in one home without a pool, for 2 years. I hated the summer and heat more than any other time. After that I knew, without a pool I would be a sad woman.
I have a pool again
and thanks to that I'm looking forward to a couple of 100 degree days, not crying about that cool weather ending. I love my swimming and bbq season.
I agree totally. I just moved here last June and I loved the summer and the heat mainly because I had the pool. I was either in the pool or at the lake.
Without a pool, I'm not sure how I'd like it here during summer.
All I know is that as long as I live here, I'll have a pool. Even if I bought a house in the future and it didn't have a pool, the worst case scenario is that I'd buy an above ground pool but I'm thankful that I was able to get a place with a rather large inground diving pool and I can't attempt to put a price on my comfort and RandR time.
WOOHOO!
04-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Location: State of Superior
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When it comes to real estate people, you are right, anything goes. However let's take this a little further , your numbers are not specific to a geographical area , or the type of buyer. All these items are important to all. Example, realtor 101, says young couples with very young children, are turned off by homes with pools. A good agent will make it a priority to get to know his or hers prospects, if, they want to sell. Simple deduction, time is valuable, do not waste time, yours or the prospects.
I do not hate pools, but I do always size up the potential buyer. It's still a buyers market, trying to convince the young couple they need a pool is a quick way to send them packing, to another real estate firm.
04-20-2012, 08:32 PM
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If more people wanted homes without pools, the standard appraisal value (again, based on what they observe in the marketplace, as in what sellers pay) wouldn't be $10,000 here in Phoenix, for most homes/areas. I suspect it's less or 0 in retirement communities but most neighborhoods, it's around $10,000. For higher dollar homes, it's more.
04-20-2012, 09:26 PM
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If more people wanted homes without pools, the standard appraisal value (again, based on what they observe in the marketplace, as in what sellers pay) wouldn't be $10,000 here in Phoenix, for most homes/areas. I suspect it's less or 0 in retirement communities but most neighborhoods, it's around $10,000. For higher dollar homes, it's more.
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Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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