Why does N. Scottsdale have so many gated communities? (Phoenix: HOA fees, crime rates)

[Prickly Pear]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

I never wrote that.

I easily associate with all people, wealthy, poor, and middle.

It might come across as jealous on my part but I really dislike snobs of any wealth class, especially the people who put on the air that they're better than everyone else just because they live in a Mc Mansion or go heavily in debt to buy a fancy car for showing off.

Much of Scottsdale impresses me as lots of people who fit in that category.

You aren’t wrong. Scottsdale is full of these types of people. This is where they move to if they want to live in the metropolitan area. I say this having tons of family in Scottsdale, a lot of my family members have this attitude. They live in north scottsdale, but not in gated communities.

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

You aren’t wrong. Scottsdale is full of these types of people. This is where they move to if they want to live in the metropolitan area. I say this having tons of family in Scottsdale, a lot of my family members have this attitude. They live in north scottsdale, but not in gated communities.

Who, exactly, would we be trying to impress?

This is the part of your argument that always falls flat.

[veritased]

Originally Posted by gilberthomes

Money. It's because they have a lot of money up there Gated communities are really popular with our winter visitors because they are "lock and go." People who live there year-round also feel safer. N. Scottsdale is not a high crime area.

I live in an HOA commty with plenty of snowbirds that have jetted off north. It does seem like everything else being equal, a gated manned entrance would help to stave off crime. Just a bit extra of security.
But I can tell you, if someone wants to target you, it's super easy to get in here via the open spaces that are not fenced in, and even if they were, again, not hard to bypass and get into our subdivision.

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by kytoaz

Catering to the irrational fears of Americans.

This is a community crime map of a small selected portion of the Valley within a one month period. One month. Not to mention mass shootings that we are constantly hearing about. Child abductions. The list goes on. I would hardly say they are irrational fears. Sure, the media sensationalizes a lot of things, but the reality of 2019 is that we really aren't all that safe.

And people who don't have situational awareness or people who don't think anything bad will happen to them....well, those people are usually the first to go when stuff goes down.

[duke944]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

Call it what you want but I would rather be an authentic jealous average peson than a fake plastic snob.

Couldn't agree more.

[kytoaz]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

This is a community crime map of a small selected portion of the Valley within a one month period. One month. Not to mention mass shootings that we are constantly hearing about. Child abductions. The list goes on. I would hardly say they are irrational fears. Sure, the media sensationalizes a lot of things, but the reality of 2019 is that we really aren't all that safe.

And people who don't have situational awareness or people who don't think anything bad will happen to them....well, those people are usually the first to go when stuff goes down.

Yes people walking around drunk at 3 am and getting robbed or getting in fights outside bars or getting shot during a drug deal gone bad definitely make me want to live behind walls (sarcasm font). My point is that crime maps such as this absolutely stoke irrational fear as they offer zero context into what actually happened. They're just dots on a map and can seem overwhelming. Random acts of violence do happen, but they usually happen to oblivious people who put themselves in bad situations. Even a large number of home break ins can be linked to people hanging out with criminals, having criminals in their homes, and then getting robbed by said criminals. I'm aware of my surroundings and I'm aware that crime happens but I'm also aware that a gate does little to stop anything and I'm not going go through life being terrified of what-ifs. Just my 2 cents.

[yukon]

There are plenty of gated subdivisions in Florida (Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Coral Springs, etc) so I don't know why that would surprise you about Scottsdale.

[Prickly Pear]

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

Who, exactly, would we be trying to impress?

This is the part of your argument that always falls flat.

It isn't about impressing any particular person. It's about one upping other people. "Keeping up with the Joneses" so to speak. It's about having status and power over others. It's about having a certain image. Take a look at Instagram when you have the time, and look how many people are trying to "flex" on others. People going into debt to live a certain lifestyle to meet some silly expectation of what they believe is "successful".


Wearing certain designer clothes, driving certain cars, having a certain address, it's all about appearing powerful, wealthy, and of high importance. People who usually think in this more superficial and materialistic way are going to shame others who haven't met this bench line of "success". This is what people mean about snobbish rich people.


People who are like this are more likely to live in Paradise Valley or Scottsdale than anywhere else because Scottsdale and PV have this image of "wealthy and therefore, successful, people live here".


This isn't unique to Scottsdale, by the way. Look at any rich suburb of any metropolitan area of the United States, and you will see it.

Originally Posted by yukon

There are plenty of gated subdivisions in Florida (Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Coral Springs, etc) so I don't know why that would surprise you about Scottsdale.

Because this isn't Florida? Why would someone assume Florida and Arizona have the same developments?

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

It isn't about impressing any particular person. It's about one upping other people. "Keeping up with the Joneses" so to speak. It's about having status and power over others. It's about having a certain image. Take a look at Instagram when you have the time, and look how many people are trying to "flex" on others. People going into debt to live a certain lifestyle to meet some silly expectation of what they believe is "successful".


Wearing certain designer clothes, driving certain cars, having a certain address, it's all about appearing powerful, wealthy, and of high importance. People who usually think in this more superficial and materialistic way are going to shame others who haven't met this bench line of "success". This is what people mean about snobbish rich people.


People who are like this are more likely to live in Paradise Valley or Scottsdale than anywhere else because Scottsdale and PV have this image of "wealthy and therefore, successful, people live here".


This isn't unique to Scottsdale, by the way. Look at any rich suburb of any metropolitan area of the United States, and you will see it.



Because this isn't Florida? Why would someone assume Florida and Arizona have the same developments?

So if you became a multi millionaire you wouldn't buy nicer things or live in a nicer house?

You make a lot of assumptions about other people simply because they have nicer or more expensive things than you.

[DetroitN8V]

I’d argue that most people that like nice things like them for themselves. I like caviar. It’s a luxury item. I don’t give a rat’s booty who sees me eating it. I enjoy it. It has nothing to do with image. To suggest that luxurious items, nice houses, etc. are only purchased to boost one’s image is just silly.