COVID 19 stats - ALLEGHENY COUNTY and beyond (Republic: purchase, car)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Yea, I'm not going to do the work for you. Cute.

What do you think participates in dealership associations if not dealershops? Where are you trying to even go with that line of thought? At least we're agreed that more competition from the overturning of some of the laws disallowing direct sales in some states will lead to more competition and is better. Great!

Because you can’t prove me wrong or you’d do it in a second.

Never said dealerships don’t participate in associations.

Yep, said that at least 5 times. Your anger and disdain keeps you from comprehension.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Because you can’t prove me wrong or you’d do it in a second.

Never said dealerships don’t participate in associations.

Yep, said that at least 5 times. Your anger and disdain keeps you from comprehension.

Then what is your point that you're trying to get at--dealership associations brought up lawsuits and have been trying to support legislation preventing direct sales. Dealership associations are, oddly enough, made up of dealerships. Thus, dealerships are often behind lobbying efforts or lawsuits that prevent or at least try to prevent or limit direct sales. That's pretty simple right there. Even where we're seemingly agreed, that is, great that these lawsuits and lobbying efforts aren't always successful, since they prevent competition, you seem to want to try to keep up some kind of argument.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Then what is your point that you're trying to get at--dealership associations brought up lawsuits and have been trying to support legislation preventing direct sales. Dealership associations are, oddly enough, made up of dealerships. Thus, dealerships are often behind lobbying efforts or lawsuits that prevent or at least try to prevent or limit direct sales. That's pretty simple right there. Even where we're seemingly agreed, that is, great that these lawsuits and lobbying efforts aren't always successful, since they prevent competition, you seem to want to try to keep up some kind of argument.

Nope, I simply think it’s hilarious that you continue to make accusations of what I’ve said and you can’t prove them and I’ve already said that dealerships belong to associations. You said dealerships were suing rather than the association so I asked what specific dealerships.

Funny thing about your arguments is that you and mama had a bad experience at a dealership who knows how long ago, likely haven’t stepped into or dealt with one since, yet you act like you think you know how they operate today, and what it entails to operate one, and even funnier is that you want less competition that will make prices higher, lol.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Nope, I simply think it’s hilarious that you continue to make accusations of what I’ve said and you can’t prove them and I’ve already said that dealerships belong to associations. You said dealerships were suing rather than the association so I asked what specific dealerships.

Funny thing about your arguments is that you and mama had a bad experience at a dealership who knows how long ago, likely haven’t stepped into or dealt with one since, yet you act like you think you know how they operate today, and what it entails to operate one, and even funnier is that you want less competition that will make prices higher, lol.

Keep going. Let's keep trying to pretend you didn't attempt a dig about educated consumers or sounding like someone with a poor credit rating. Keep grinding that axe, bud.

No one's saying I know the ins and outs of dealerships--I'm saying that I'm glad that there's a silver lining that's forcing less time in dealerships when purchasing a car and that I hope direct sales becomes more popular. Pretty simple right there.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by erieguy

10’s of thousands of Americans per week are dying from the virus?

The total number of deaths over a seven-day period has been above 10,000 for around a month now. Right now it stands at 12,563

Originally Posted by erieguy

Let’s not act like the Dems don’t want the economy to fall flat on its face to make it look like Trump has failed in order to try to get him out of office.

I really don't want to get in a political pissing match, but the Democrats didn't need a recession to defeat Trump, and if destroying the economy was actually their top priority they wouldn't be making good-faith efforts to continue to pass economic stimulus packages.

Originally Posted by erieguy

So many are begging for socialism.

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Regardless, we're in a general market failure right now, and we'll have Hoovervilles and the like if we don't vigorously intervene in the economy. Even the GOP realizes this, which is why you saw a lot things in the CARES Act McConnell wouldn't have touched with a ten-foot-pole a month earlier - and why some Republicans now are straight-up suggesting the government just pay the salaries of workers up to a certain threshold for the duration of the crisis.

Originally Posted by gg

But the question is why is this so different than the Hong Kong Flu? It isn't the coronavirus or the Hong Kong Flu that was the issue, it is how humans reacted to them and the difference. We lost over a million in the Hong Kong Flu when people didn't live as long and were much healthier (leaner) than today. I think people are missing this. It isn't the deaths or the virus, it is how we reacted to it. We demand our leaders to react out of fear. I think you are smart enough to get what I am saying.

Don't misunderstand my posts on this. I am trying to understand why our reactions on a global level are so wildly different between these two very similar situation. It is mind-blowing to me, but a very interesting study. The virus didn't kill the global economy. It was our reaction to the virus. This NEEDS to be studied and I am sure it will, but the media will not post about it, so you have to find it in academia somewhere. I do have some connections that I will be using a year from now.

The serology data from NYC shows pretty conclusively that the death rate in the U.S. from COVID-19 really is in the range of 1% - which means it's about twice as deadly as the Hong Kong Flu. It also appears to be much, much more infectious. So it's not 100% analogous.

I really think the leaders of the world didn't have a choice in how they reacted. I mean, things like restaurant attendance collapsed by 90% even prior to any official government action. Airline travel collapsed all on its own as well. We were going to have a steep, steep recession regardless of what action was taken. I tend to believe if the economy is trashed regardless, it's best to focus on saving lives. That doesn't mean keeping everything locked down until a vaccine is available, but it does mean that we can't fully ease up until we have a robust testing system and the ability to trace contacts when community transmission occurs.

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

May 8: new infections per day, from last 16 days, starting with most distant:


61, 28, 21, 13, 13, 11, 38, 16, 30, 14, 12, 20, 10, 19, 45, 16

Only 2 deaths since yesterday - so that's good, but it would be great to see # of infections way low, and stay low.

Remember the Clinton years? There was Monica L, and other things people always make mountains out of, when they are but molehills....I miss those years. It was such innocence, in a way.

Yeah, I miss the crazy Nixon days and those break ins.
Great job on the daily updates.

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[erieguy]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Keep going. Let's keep trying to pretend you didn't attempt a dig about educated consumers or sounding like someone with a poor credit rating. Keep grinding that axe, bud.

No one's saying I know the ins and outs of dealerships--I'm saying that I'm glad that there's a silver lining that's forcing less time in dealerships when purchasing a car and that I hope direct sales becomes more popular. Pretty simple right there.

Keep grinding that axe rather than proving it.

Except you said dealerships should be employing less people, have poor business models, etc..., but you’re clueless.

The silver lining has been around for many years. You just don’t know about it because you’re living off an experience you and mama had many years ago.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Keep grinding that axe rather than proving it.

Except you said dealerships should be employing less people, have poor business models, etc..., but you’re clueless.

The silver lining has been around for many years. You just don’t know about it because you’re living off an experience you and mama had many years ago.

The cloud is the pandemic--how is it that its silver lining has been around for many years if I'm talking specifically about minimal to no contact sales that have been implemented in some places in response to the pandemic. Are you just making things up now?

And yea, I do think dealerships can probably employ fewer people if the direct sales model actually takes off. After all, dealerships make good money as the middleman and that's money that's not being saved by the consumers nor is it money that's being made by the automakers. When lawsuits against direct sales do involve automakers, it's often based on the unfair competitive advantage that an automaker with direct sales would have over having to deal with dealerships. Let that sink in for a bit.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

The cloud is the pandemic--how is it that its silver lining has been around for many years if I'm talking specifically about minimal to no contact sales that have been implemented in some places in response to the pandemic. Are you just making things up now?

Except the cloud isn’t the pandemic. Lower used car prices and more new car inventives are the result of the pandemic.

Minimal to no contact sales have been around for 15+ years.

Nope, again I have a very good friend that owns a franchise dealership. I know exactly how vehicle sales operate and have operated.

Keep on thinking. “If” and “when” your desired model takes off you may be correct, however your desired model isn’t going to happen anywhere near soon.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Except the cloud isn’t the pandemic. Lower used car prices and more new car inventives are the result of the pandemic.

Minimal to no contact sales have been around for 15+ years.

Nope, again I have a very good friend that owns a franchise dealership. I know exactly how vehicle sales operate and have operated.

Keep on thinking. “If” and “when” your desired model takes off you may be correct, however your desired model isn’t going to happen anywhere near soon.

I was specifically talking about the silver lining to the pandemic and how that's made it more acceptable to have minimal or no contact sales. Now you're trying to tell me what I was referencing? You just want to argue or something?

I am thinking about if and when--I'm hoping that it works out because cutting out the middleman sounds pretty good. Of course, there are a lot of states with laws that make that pretty difficult, but the general tide has been an overturning or at least some kind of carveout that allows at least limited direct sales.