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Kinda funny they got so wound up over it. It ended up going public anyway and mainstream America brushed it off with the "yeah, so?" sentiment it rightly deserved.
You do understand that paraphrase is not the same as quoting.
PECK: They came to do to us what they perceive, it doesn't make them right, but what they perceive is we've been doing the same thing now for a long time in various parts of the world. It doesn't make them right or us wrong. Don't misunderstand me. But the only thing anybody has to
PECK: Yeah. You want a list of the countries that we've bombed and invaded over the last 25 years?
PECK: Certainly not, we've never had to do that because we have, you know, untrammeled military force. These people are terrorists. They resort to that because they can't take us on, head on, nor should they even, well they can't. But the point is that some of the things that we have done in the firm, honest belief that we are advancing the cause of justice, human rights, and freedom and all of that are not perceived that way by the people that we bomb. I offer you Panama. I give you Haiti. Take Cambodia. What about Iraq?
Rev. Wright provided a list of U.S military actions where large numbers of civilians were killed.
We bombed Grenada and killed innocent babies, non military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard-working fathers. We bombed Gadhaffi’s home and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against a rock! We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy. Killed hundreds of hard-working people; mothers and fathers who left home to go that day, not knowing that they would never get back home. We bombed Hiroshima! We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye! Kids playing in the playground , mothers picking up children after school, civilians – not soldiers – people just trying to make it day by day.
The tie in with his sermon is the death of innocent civilians.
There’s a move in Psalm 137 from thoughts of paying tithes to thoughts of paying back. Move if you will from worship to war. A move, in other words from the worship of the God of creation to a war against whom God has created. And I want you to notice, very carefully, the next move. One of the reasons this psalm is rarely read in its entirety. Because it is a move that spotlights the insanity of the cycle of violence and the cycle of hatred.[LEFT] Look at verse 9, look at verse 9, look at verse 9, “Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rocks. The people of faith are the rivers of Babylon. How shall we sing the Lord’s song if I forget the (unintelligible). . . The people of faith have moved from the hatred of armed enemies, these soldiers who captured the king, who slaughtered his son, they put his eyes out, the soldiers who sacked the city, burned the towns, burned the temples, burned the towers, and moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents, the babies, the babies .“Blessed are they who dash your baby’s brains against a rock.” And that my beloveds is a dangerous place to be. Yet, that is where the people of faith are in 551 BC and that is where the people of faith are, far too many people of faith are in 2001 AD.
Since Rev. Wright delivered the sermon 100s of thousands of unarmed civilians have been killed by U.S Military action.
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You do understand that paraphrase is not the same as quoting.
Yes I do. You seem to not understand that paraphrasing does not mean altering the message.
Quote:
PECK: They came to do to us what they perceive, it doesn't make them right, but what they perceive is we've been doing the same thing now for a long time in various parts of the world. It doesn't make them right or us wrong. Don't misunderstand me. But the only thing anybody has to
PECK: Yeah. You want a list of the countries that we've bombed and invaded over the last 25 years?
PECK: Certainly not, we've never had to do that because we have, you know, untrammeled military force. These people are terrorists. They resort to that because they can't take us on, head on, nor should they even, well they can't.But the point is that some of the things that we have done in the firm, honest belief that we are advancing the cause of justice, human rights, and freedom and all of that are not perceived that way by the people that we bomb. I offer you Panama. I give you Haiti. Take Cambodia. What about Iraq?
Yes, that is what Peck said, which is not at all the message conveyed in Wright's Sept. 16, 2001 sermon. Even the PBS Ombudsman agrees that Wright was stretching way too far in trying to link his message to Peck's.
What's to defend? A bunch of off duty journalists arguing among themselves in a private listserver?
Gotta tell you, if their intent was to "kill stories" about Wright, they failed. Those stories were all over the MSM.
Did you miss the part about their collusion to falsely accuse Obama's critics of racism? That practice has spread FAR and WIDE thanks to those corrupt, unethical, and unprofessional 'journalists.'
Yes I do. You seem to not understand that paraphrasing does not mean altering the message.
Yes, that is what Peck said, which is not at all the message conveyed in Wright's Sept. 16, 2001 sermon. Even the PBS Ombudsman agrees that Wright was stretching way too far in trying to link his message to Peck's.
Have you read the Malcolm X speech? You seem to not understand what you're talking about.
From the web page you linked:
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2] It was Malcolm X's answer, that the Presidents death was a case of "chickens coming home to roost" -- that the violence that Kennedy had failed to stop had come back to him[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
Fox interview:
PECK: They came to do to us what they perceive, it doesn't make them right, but what they perceive is we've been doing the same thing now for a long time in various parts of the world. It doesn't make them right or us wrong. Don't misunderstand me. But the only thing anybody has toASMAN: I just have to stop you. We've been doing the same thing around the world? PECK: Yeah. You want a list of the countries that we've bombed and invaded over the last 25 years?
Rev Wright Sermon:
Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred and terrorism begets terrorism.
At no point does Rev. Wright claim that what the terrorists did was justified. In fact earlier in the sermon he said they were motivated by hatred.
Verse 7, of Second Kings 25, says they slaughtered, senseless killings, they slaughtered the sons of Zebekiah and made him watch it. Then they put out his eyes, so that would be the last thing he had any visual image of, like a commercial airliner, or passenger plane slamming into an office building, two office buildings, killing thousands for no reason other than hatred.
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=2] It was Malcolm X's answer, that the Presidents death was a case of "chickens coming home to roost" -- that the violence that Kennedy had failed to stop had come back to him[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
Fox interview:
PECK:They came to do to uswhat they perceive,it doesn't make them right, butwhat they perceive is we've been doing the same thing now for a long time in various parts of the world. It doesn't make them right or us wrong. Don't misunderstand me. But the only thing anybody has toASMAN: I just have to stop you. We've been doing the same thing around the world? PECK: Yeah. You want a list of the countries that we've bombed and invaded over the last 25 years?
You just proved my point. Wright was paraphrasing Malcolm X's speech, not Peck's comments. Wright tried, but failed to legitimize his sermon by pulling Peck's diplomatic comments into the fray. The PBS Ombudsman agrees - Wright paraphrasing Peck is too big of a stretch to be valid.
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