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Old 08-29-2010, 10:50 PM
 
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Anyone remember the John Birch Society? They were the Right Wing reactionaries that wanted to counter the hippie movement.
The only remarkable violence by the counter-culture was done by the Weatherman faction of the SDS (Students For Democratic Society). I lived in Chicago during those years. The Weathermen stormed thru the affluent Gold Coast (Near North Side), breaking car windows and inflicting other damage.
In one Chicago incident where youths did set cop cars on fire and break downtown store windows was because of a cancelled free concert by Sly & The Family Stone, not a hippy gathering.
At the Democratic Convention in 1968 anti-war demonstrators were beaten by Chicago's police. ABC, CBS, and NBC crews filmed the beatings. As the cops noticed, they used their clubs on the film crews and their equipment.
Chicago's Mayor Daley made many stupid remarks about this, one was; "The policeman is not there to create disorder, but to preserve disorder".
Running as independents were Alabama's segregationist Governor George Wallace and ex-general Curtis LeMay. They wanted to create a special force of above average sized men to counter all anti-war demonstrations. Anotherwords, to beat the crap out of anyone who opposed the war.
I think it was in 1971 that Nixon announced that B-52s would expand bombing operations into Cambodia. This sparked more anti-war demonstrations. The most notable at Kent State University in Ohio. National Guardsmen moved in and shot four students. It was never clarified why the troops were give live ammunition or which ones fired into the crowd.
It sure would be helpful if all those posting about the hippy era knew a little bit of factual information. After all, it is American history.
Your issues are spot on but the date of the KSU murders was May 4, 1970.
Kent State Truth Tribunal 2010
Kent State Truth Tribunal To Open its Doors to Witnesses of 1970 Student Killings at Protest Over Invasion of Cambodia | CommonDreams.org

I visited Lao two years ago and traveled to Pongsavang (and the Plain of Jars) where the US dropped its payload of unused bombs. Lao was not involved in the war. There are still live bombs and craters.

Compare and contrast:
The Prehistory of Laos (showing the history and mystery of the area)
History haunts the Plain of Jars - Telegraph
Deep in the mountains of northern Laos is one of the most dangerous archaeological sites ever. The last remnants of an ancient civilisation are next to 30-year-old craters and unexploded US ordnance left by the greatest aerial bombardment of all time.

 
Old 08-30-2010, 02:35 AM
 
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US Military and CIA LSD tests on civilians:

LSD Research: An Overview by Jessica Locke Del Greco
The purpose of this paper is to summarize the history of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) research and to discuss the manner in which this research influenced the evolution of society. Between the years 1947 and 1963, CIA and Army scientists examined, tested, and in some cases refined every drug which subsequently became available on the black market during the 1960's, including marijuana, cocaine, heroin, PCP, amyl nitrate, mushrooms, DMT, barbituates, laughing gas, and speed, among others (Lee and Shalin, xx). In the course of this research, government scientists found, for example, that injections of cocaine produce free and spontaneous speech in catatonic schizophrenics within two days (Lee & Shalin, 11).

French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment - Telegraph
In 1951, a quiet, picturesque village in southern France was suddenly and mysteriously struck down with mass insanity and hallucinations. At least five people died, dozens were interned in asylums and hundreds afflicted.
For decades it was assumed that the local bread had been unwittingly poisoned with a psychedelic mould. Now, however, an American investigative journalist has uncovered evidence suggesting the CIA peppered local food with the hallucinogenic drug LSD as part of a mind control experiment at the height of the Cold War.


A History Of US Secret Human Experimentation
1958 LSD is tested on 95 volunteers at the Army's Chemical Warfare Laboratories for its effect on intelligence.

1960 The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the european population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.

1965 Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.


Researchers tested pot, LSD on Army volunteers - USATODAY.com
Army doctors gave soldier volunteers synthetic marijuana, LSD and two dozen other psychoactive drugs during experiments aimed at developing chemical weapons that could incapacitate enemy soldiers, a psychiatrist who performed the research says in a new memoir.

It might be interesting to see the government’s thumbprints on all drugs in our country.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 04:47 AM
 
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I think you keep getting some and most confused.
But keep guessing, you will eventually get something right.
Sure
In my view that free love thing was stupid and superficial and should have been referred to as free sex. At the same time it was a cornerstone of the hippie movement. It didn't make much sense to identify oneself as a hippie without rejecting the traditional family and relationship concept. To a certain extent that was OK, but they way overdid it. Thus all the std's and abortions.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 05:44 AM
 
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I was around in those days and didn't notice any change in the sexual mores. They were the same as the early 60's when I started having sex with women. Not much changed since.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 05:53 AM
 
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Maybe you were not a real hippie and didn't date real hippies
 
Old 08-30-2010, 06:00 AM
 
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Maybe you were not a real hippie and didn't date real hippies


Or maybe your fantasies don't match reality?
 
Old 08-30-2010, 06:21 AM
 
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Or maybe your fantasies don't match reality?
Or yours...
Hippies had much more open relationships than conservative people. And that not only in those infamous communes and groups affiliated with sects and gurus.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 06:36 AM
 
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Your issues are spot on but the date of the KSU murders was May 4, 1970.
Kent State Truth Tribunal 2010
Kent State Truth Tribunal To Open its Doors to Witnesses of 1970 Student Killings at Protest Over Invasion of Cambodia | CommonDreams.org

I visited Lao two years ago and traveled to Pongsavang (and the Plain of Jars) where the US dropped its payload of unused bombs. Lao was not involved in the war. There are still live bombs and craters.

Compare and contrast:
The Prehistory of Laos (showing the history and mystery of the area)
History haunts the Plain of Jars - Telegraph
Deep in the mountains of northern Laos is one of the most dangerous archaeological sites ever. The last remnants of an ancient civilisation are next to 30-year-old craters and unexploded US ordnance left by the greatest aerial bombardment of all time.

Laos was not a part of the Vietnam War? Apparently you have not read your history or talked with conventional and special forces soldiers. One of my patients, who was in special forces, spent nearly all his time in Laos.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 06:44 AM
 
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Or yours...
Hippies had much more open relationships than conservative people. And that not only in those infamous communes and groups affiliated with sects and gurus.
Priests have much more open relationships than conservative people.

What about some of those infamous wife-swapping parties in places like Darien CT? CLUE: They weren't 'hippies'


Like it or not there's been lots of sex in the world for centuries, some just gets a bit more press coverage.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 06:45 AM
 
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Maybe you were not a real hippie and didn't date real hippies
And you were??
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