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I agree completely. In addition, a UHC system that would take the burden off businesses to even provide HC for it's employees would make American industry competitive to the world market without cutting worker's pay. It would also stimulate jobs as more businesses would come back home and use american workers rather than offshoring.
Another good point. I wish we would have never gotten into the habit of having employers provide insurance to their employees. The spiraling health care costs are the main reason why wages have flat-lined or actually gone down compared to tens years ago.
Another good point. I wish we would have never gotten into the habit of having employers provide insurance to their employees. The spiraling health care costs are the main reason why wages have flat-lined or actually gone down compared to tens years ago.
If you remove the costs of shipping your widgets back from china and employer's health care costs from the bottom line, there's probably no reason to offshore your manufacturing and possibly bring much of it back home. Japan, Korea and Germany all realize this and have plants in America where there market is. No employer health care expenses would make American manufacturing a powerhouse. We still are the worlds larget market. Best to produce our goods here.
[quote=Winter_Sucks;16033330]Another good point. I wish we would have never gotten into the habit of having employers provide insurance to their employees. The spiraling health care costs are the main reason why wages have flat-lined or actually gone down compared to tens years ago.[/quote]
Something entitled Progressives never want to admit.
16 years ago my insurance cost $76.00/mo. with a $1500.00 deductible. Today it is at $139.00/mo. with a $5,000.00 deductible. It is a PPO with no co-pay. What I end up paying out of pocket in any given year from my HSA is significantly less than if I had higher employer provided rates with an HMO. Furthermore, I get the HSA tax deduction ($3,500.00). Of counrse, Obama lied and I lose my current insurance plan in two more years because the Socialist-in-Chief despises those who are self sufficient.
Most people like what the bill does. It bans pre-existing conditions, bans rescission, gets rid of lifetime caps, and let's young adults up to 26 stay on their parents insurance. I would be hard pressed to find people who would want to get rid of those tangible changes.
A 26 year old adult should not be relying on their parents for insurance.
Something entitled Progressives never want to admit.
16 years ago my insurance cost $76.00/mo. with a $1500.00 deductible. Today it is at $139.00/mo. with a $5,000.00 deductible. It is a PPO with no co-pay. What I end up paying out of pocket in any given year from my HSA is significantly less than if I had higher employer provided rates with an HMO. Furthermore, I get the HSA tax deduction ($3,500.00). Of counrse, Obama lied and I lose my current insurance plan in two more years because the Socialist-in-Chief despises those who are self sufficient.
I've got the same type of plan... family coverage for $150/month with a $6000 annual deductible that I use in conjunction with the HSA. I can kiss all that goodbye too in two years and look forward to going back to the Aetna HMO insurance we were paying $23K/year for. And no, I'm not joking about the cost.
I'd like to ask Obama why he lied about people being able to keep their coverage if they liked it. That is going to cause a big hit to my monthly budget going from $150/month (plus $500 towards HSA) to $2K/month. This health care bill is going to cost me $1350 extra PER MONTH. And, that's assuming rates stay the same and don't increase.
Oddly enough, the human liver has a nearly miraculous ability to regenerate. If I were facing a diagnosis such as this, first I would consult a holistic or naturopathic physician, reduce my exposure to chemicals, do a liver cleanse (Andreas Moritz welcomes you to Ener-Chi Wellness Center: Your Trusted Source of Natural Healing Methods), increase my intake of vital nutrients both through supplementation and increase my intake of raw, natural vegetables and fruits, increase my intake of Milk Thistle which supports liver health, get lots of sleep and reduce my stress levels.
By the way, hereditary conditions do not GUARANTEE that you will develop the disease. Only that they are perhaps more prone to it. Therefore, someone who has a family history of something should work THAT MUCH HARDER to avoid it through their lifestyle choices.
20yrsinBranson
Tell me then, how can I make my body make an enzyme that it has NO ability to produce? Let me know how I can replace the damaged strand in my DNA that causes my body not to produce it. My hereditary condition guarantees that I have the disease I have... I was born with it and I will have it until I die.
No amount of 'fresh vegetables' will help me and I find it kind of offensive that you would tell people like me that it's something in my lifestyle that caused it. Try telling that to a 6 year old sitting in bed with a broken knee... that it was their fault it happened.
A 26 year old adult should not be relying on their parents for insurance.
Many people who are 26 work at jobs that don't offer insurance. Allowing children to stay on insurance until they are 26 is a great idea and will give families more security.
I've got the same type of plan... family coverage for $150/month with a $6000 annual deductible that I use in conjunction with the HSA. I can kiss all that goodbye too in two years and look forward to going back to the Aetna HMO insurance we were paying $23K/year for. And no, I'm not joking about the cost.
I'd like to ask Obama why he lied about people being able to keep their coverage if they liked it.
I honestly don't understand. Why can't you keep the current insurance? What part of Obamacare says you have to give up your current plan? Why is an alternate insurance plan so much more costly and why is it the only option. I'm not being argumentitive, I really want to know.
Another good point. I wish we would have never gotten into the habit of having employers provide insurance to their employees. The spiraling health care costs are the main reason why wages have flat-lined or actually gone down compared to tens years ago.[/quote]
Something entitled Progressives never want to admit.
16 years ago my insurance cost $76.00/mo. with a $1500.00 deductible. Today it is at $139.00/mo. with a $5,000.00 deductible. It is a PPO with no co-pay. What I end up paying out of pocket in any given year from my HSA is significantly less than if I had higher employer provided rates with an HMO. Furthermore, I get the HSA tax deduction ($3,500.00). Of counrse, Obama lied and I lose my current insurance plan in two more years because the Socialist-in-Chief despises those who are self sufficient.
There's nothing socialist about Obama. The health reform law greatly expands coverage for people through private insurance. A point that many liberals are still angry about.
Let's emphasize the fact that pretty much NOBODY liked this bill yet the morons in power decided to pass it anyways, against the overwhelming will of the American people.
Does it make you happy that your elected officials passed legislation that a majority of the population didn't want?
Does it make you happy that very few of them actually read or understood what they were passing?
Does it make you happy that the cost estimates were grossly underestimated, most likely on purpose?
Does it make you happy that the democrats had to bribe members of their own party to support the bill?
If so, continue voting for those dimwitted dems in November.
Gosh something about this sounds sooooo familiar. Not "Obamacare". No, that's not it. Hmmmmm. What could it be? What could it be?
"The House of Representatives' Medicare deliberations were unprecedented. At 3:00 A.M. on Saturday, November 22, House members were given 15 minutes to vote on the new, 20-year, $2 trillion drug entitlement [that wasn't paid for, by the way!]. Two votes shy of passing the bill, GOP leaders abused House rules and kept the vote open for almost three hours. This chicanery set the seamy stage for GOP arm twisting by House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois, Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas and even Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, who violated custom and trolled the House floor for converts. The bill's Republican critics felt extreme pressure to vote "aye."
As columnist Robert Novak reported November 27, Rep. Nick Smith (R., Mich.) said he was told on the House floor (he won't say by whom [we later learned that it was Tom Delay - surprise, surprise]) that if he switched and backed the Medicare bill, "business interests" would provide $100,000 to his son's campaign to replace him in Congress."
Let's see, what else was there about that? Thinking. . . thinking. . .
"The government's top expert on Medicare costs was warned that he would be fired if he told key lawmakers about a series of Bush administration cost estimates that could have torpedoed congressional passage of the White House-backed Medicare prescription-drug plan.
When the House of Representatives passed the controversial benefit by five votes last November, the White House was embracing an estimate by the Congressional Budget Office that it would cost $395 billion in the first 10 years. But for months the administration's own analysts in the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services had concluded repeatedly that the drug benefit could cost upward of $100 billion more than that.
So who are the dimwits we should avoid voting for again in November?
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Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson
Oddly enough, the human liver has a nearly miraculous ability to regenerate. If I were facing a diagnosis such as this, first I would consult a holistic or naturopathic physician, reduce my exposure to chemicals, do a liver cleanse (Andreas Moritz welcomes you to Ener-Chi Wellness Center: Your Trusted Source of Natural Healing Methods), increase my intake of vital nutrients both through supplementation and increase my intake of raw, natural vegetables and fruits, increase my intake of Milk Thistle which supports liver health, get lots of sleep and reduce my stress levels.
By the way, hereditary conditions do not GUARANTEE that you will develop the disease. Only that they are perhaps more prone to it. Therefore, someone who has a family history of something should work THAT MUCH HARDER to avoid it through their lifestyle choices.
20yrsinBranson
Gosh, I wonder why Walter Payton never thought of that! He might be alive today! Wait. No he wouldn't. He'd still be DEAD. Ridiculous and idiotic advice.
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