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Old 10-03-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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The rich have stolen over 40% of the value of our dollars and are now investing their stolen wealth in China. Foreign firms have been paying off politicians to lower wages of American workers to make America a third world country, but as long as Americans keep electing them why would they stop
hmmm the rich are doing what they can to make money, wow. perhaps we should kill all the rich people and take their money. as for the value of the dollar, it is the economic policies of the GOVERNMENT that hurt or help the dollars value, and that is reflected in the currency markets.

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So if we lower wages, remove the minimum wage, health care, social security, medicaare, workens compensation and child labor laws we could be ablee to compete with the North Koean Slave Laborer assembling our Hyundai at the Hyundai plant in Kaesong
what we need is proper regulation, and proper government oversight, but little government interference in business, and a reasonable tax rate, and you can then watch business do what they do best, make money. and when businesses make money it is good for the people and the government both because business will need to people to work, increasing the tax base, to make their products, and provide the services. with proper regulation, business can start up or expand economically enough to make it worth the effort to take the risk on doing such things. we dont have to eliminate the things you indicated, just put some sanity back into those laws.

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Germany competes with China and they don't have low wages! Switzerland (my country) is one of the most capitalist (if not the most) and competitive country in the World! The working man is not doing very well in none of these two countries (Germany and Switzerland) but he understands that his work is important and his wage is equal with his value and he doesn't try to screw his CEO! He tries to work as hard as he can so that the company will be able to make better products at the same price as other countries! In the US it seems that the working man wants it all without doing nothing!

My question is why US is not competitive? Why US can't compete with China?
the reason china is kicking our butts, is because china has a business friendly environment. lower taxes, fewer regulations, and little government interference. if we were to copy what china is doing for business here, then we would kick the worlds butts again economically.
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Old 10-03-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The rich will indirectly benefit greatly from the extenssion of the middle class tax cuts.
But that is not what you claimed before. You said that the middle class would pay more if the Bush tax cuts were permanent.
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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hmmm the rich are doing what they can to make money, wow. perhaps we should kill all the rich people and take their money. as for the value of the dollar, it is the economic policies of the GOVERNMENT that hurt or help the dollars value, and that is reflected in the currency markets.



what we need is proper regulation, and proper government oversight, but little government interference in business, and a reasonable tax rate, and you can then watch business do what they do best, make money. and when businesses make money it is good for the people and the government both because business will need to people to work, increasing the tax base, to make their products, and provide the services. with proper regulation, business can start up or expand economically enough to make it worth the effort to take the risk on doing such things. we dont have to eliminate the things you indicated, just put some sanity back into those laws.



the reason china is kicking our butts, is because china has a business friendly environment. lower taxes, fewer regulations, and little government interference. if we were to copy what china is doing for business here, then we would kick the worlds butts again economically.
What we need are Politicians who put America first. Selling out to Hyundai or another foriegn company by lowering American Wages is selling out America. China is a "Business Friendly Environment" because it exploits it's workers and ignores the impact development is having. So if you will work for less than a Chinese factory worker go there.
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:30 PM
 
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A lot of European countries had(and have) a flat tax and it works pretty well!
Besides Russia that went to a flat tax because the government did such a poor job collecting taxes can you name another country in Europe that has a flat tax?
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:46 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Without a rich person you would not have a computer or an internet connection.

Thank a rich person for giving you a job so you can eat, live and have things.

If anyone is getting away with murder it would be the lazy welfare bums who have now sucked 4 generations off those 47% who actually pay taxes into the system.

No America should go without paying taxes.

No poor bum has ever given someone a job.

Most people are simply jealous of successful, smart rich people.

Maybe someday you will be rich so we can steal most of your money away from you.

The rich pay what 85% of ALL taxes collected in America?

Get off their backs and stop being so jealous.

Successful people become successful for a reason.

Poor losers become poor losers for a reason.
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:48 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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hmmm the rich are doing what they can to make money, wow. perhaps we should kill all the rich people and take their money. as for the value of the dollar, it is the economic policies of the GOVERNMENT that hurt or help the dollars value, and that is reflected in the currency markets.



what we need is proper regulation, and proper government oversight, but little government interference in business, and a reasonable tax rate, and you can then watch business do what they do best, make money. and when businesses make money it is good for the people and the government both because business will need to people to work, increasing the tax base, to make their products, and provide the services. with proper regulation, business can start up or expand economically enough to make it worth the effort to take the risk on doing such things. we dont have to eliminate the things you indicated, just put some sanity back into those laws.



the reason china is kicking our butts, is because china has a business friendly environment. lower taxes, fewer regulations, and little government interference. if we were to copy what china is doing for business here, then we would kick the worlds butts again economically.

Well said.

You wont find a liberal who understands that.

They want to rich to pay for everything and they love those handouts without working and earning a living.

Liberals cannot run a popcorn stand without burning the butter or going bankrupt.
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What we need are Politicians who put America first. Selling out to Hyundai or another foriegn company by lowering American Wages is selling out America. China is a "Business Friendly Environment" because it exploits it's workers and ignores the impact development is having. So if you will work for less than a Chinese factory worker go there.
and whom do you think has been doing just that...its the liberals..the liberals have pushed the 'freetrade' agreements..the liberals are the one who are bought and paid for by big FOREIGN business

why do the liberals keep pushing for an illigal imigration AMNESTY????

why do the liberals not want a ballanced budget amendment???

why do the liberals NOT want the norder sealed??

why do the liberals want to make the corporate tax so high that business dont want to come here??

why do the liberals want to solve the energy/enviroment problem with a tax???? and not a real solution

why do the liberals not want to get reid of the freetrade agreements and raise the import tarriffs???

why do the liberals want to incease welfare, and not make it workfare???

why do the liberal think the answer to everything is a new tax???


questions to ponder
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Can't disagree with that assessment

The rich and powerful better be mighty careful about trying to push their luck. Or the masses might go "Cultural Revolution" or "Killing Fields" on their a$$!@# rofl...
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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and whom do you think has been doing just that...its the liberals..the liberals have pushed the 'freetrade' agreements..the liberals are the one who are bought and paid for by big FOREIGN business

why do the liberals keep pushing for an illigal imigration AMNESTY????
So they can completely dissolve our nation.



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... why do the liberals not want a ballanced budget amendment???
Do force bankruptcy



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... why do the liberals NOT want the norder sealed??
I am seeing a theme here.
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:49 AM
 
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Besides Russia that went to a flat tax because the government did such a poor job collecting taxes can you name another country in Europe that has a flat tax?
Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Poland and many other medium countries (I don't remember all). They introduced it to attract investors! And it worked! Anyway because of the crises some want to drop it (or already dropped it) and others want to introduce it!
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