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Republican 15 25.42%
Democrat 16 27.12%
Independent 10 16.95%
Mixed 1 1.69%
Other 8 13.56%
None 9 15.25%
Not sure 0 0%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-16-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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I'm registered as UNAFFILIATED and if I wanna party I hope to get an invitation (won't hold my breath) or I'll have my own party.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:06 PM
 
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I'm independent and proud of it! I have a hard time with abortion and gay marriage (though I do believe gay people are born that way and are children of God just as everyone else is, and need our loving support), but I do tend to lean a bit more to the liberal side and I see nothing wrong with a little socialism in the true sense of the word. After all, my friends in Canada, Britain and those I know of who live in the Scandinavian countries seem content. I'm not crazy about more taxes either, but if that money is going to be used to feed hungry children, take care of foster children and support our schools, public libraries and other public insititutions, go for it! I am tired of the wealthy being in control of everything! We need to stop putting so much emphasis on big business and take care of our people!

Nancy
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:07 PM
 
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I'm registered as UNAFFILIATED and if I wanna party I hope to get an invitation (won't hold my breath) or I'll have my own party.
The only political group that has party in its name is the Tea Party... lol... but I have yet to know what their ideology is... considering its wide range of beliefs, it seems more like anarchy...
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Acceptance of an idea does not mean non-acceptance of any other idea
It means non-acceptance of ideas that contradict that idea, to the extent you accept the idea.

If you are not fully sold on the idea or are agnostic about the idea, to that extent you can also entertain incompatible ideas without contradicting yourself.

Holding a non-contradictory set of beliefs and values is not, per se, an ideology. (And, for that matter, many ideologies that have erupted over the years--fascism, for instance--have been highly contradictory and unintegrated.)

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... Ideology requires it... normal people do not... I know its hard for an ideologue to understand that one idea does not make other ideas invalid
A is not non-A. That's not ideology, it's the first page of a freshman logic class textbook.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Anyone but the current batch of Republicans. I would vote for the Green Party, Independents (Nader), Libertarians (Ron Paul ), Democrats, the Constitutional Party, but just not the Republicans.
That's pretty much where I'm at as well (which ought to make short work out of any claims that I'm an "ideologue", LOL!)
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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I was a republican until they elected that idiot Bush and Cheny, been an independant ever since.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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It means non-acceptance of ideas that contradict that idea, to the extent you accept the idea.

If you are not fully sold on the idea or are agnostic about the idea, to that extent you can also entertain incompatible ideas without contradicting yourself.
No... you CAN accept an idea (being fully sold on that idea) and still be open to other ideas... Ideology is incompatible with such notions... narrow-thinking doesn't afford you to be open-minded... being open-minded does not mean once an idea is accepted that you become a narrow-thinker, you remain open-minded... with ideology, you are narrow-thinking and unable to get past that point... hence you are the problem

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Holding a non-contradictory set of beliefs and values is not, per se, an ideology.

A is not non-A. That's not ideology, it's the first page of a freshman logic class.
Ideology is not A, it is non-A... your thinking that it was A is because you couldn't accept that it was really non-A and that's how ideology fools you... holding a set of beliefs is not the problem, it is the non-acceptance of other ideas... that IS ideology... narrow-thinking... and that has always been a problem of the past, the present, and looks like, the future...
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Ideology is not A, it is non-A... your thinking that it was A is because you couldn't accept that it was really non-A and that's how ideology fools you... holding a set of beliefs is not the problem, it is the non-acceptance of other ideas... that IS ideology... narrow-thinking... and that has always been a problem of the past, the present, and looks like, the future...
We are talking past each other, mainly because we evidently don't agree on the meaning of the word "ideology." But I will insist that when the Republican Party sneeringly opposes all the things I value and embraces almost all the things I don't, it's not ideological to notice it.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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We are talking past each other, mainly because we evidently don't agree on the meaning of the word "ideology." But I will insist that when the Republican Party sneeringly opposes all the things I value and embraces almost all the things I don't, it's not ideological to notice it.
Its not ideological to notice it but what you do is ideologically... and let me guess, it didn't solve anything and made problems worse?
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:49 PM
 
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One poster said he thought Repblicans "loved war and torture."
This flipant remark shows such a lack of understanding, and even more alarming how little people will invest in truly understanding the political system.
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