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Old 11-16-2010, 01:33 PM
 
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What makes you think you are going to get better service at a lower price with Obamacare, or any government run program? It's going to cost you, and it's going to cost you more than you are probably paying now.
no, see here is where you are wrong.. Many of these people crying for healthcare are probably not paying any taxes at all.. they want YOU to pay for their care.. and if you dont agree too.. you are mean, angry, white, greedy, hateful, and wish all of these people to just DIE..
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:35 PM
 
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I tried to make an appt with one of long islands best internists (according to Newsday) and the secretary said they were very selective with their patient load and they weren't sure they were going to take me on as a patient. They asked me what ins. I had, I told them I had BCBS PPO. They said they'd call me back. I got an appt by the end of the week, so yes I'm very happy with my private for profit ins.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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The issue is not how profitable they are. The issue is that they add too much cost to the system. About 16 cents of every health care dollar is accounted for by the incremental administrative costs of private health insurance companies.

That's almost about $400 billion wasted dollars a year.

You can treat a lot of diabetics for $400 billion.
Double your number to come up with the amount of Medicare/Medicaid fraud. (GOVT CONTROLLED).

You can treat a lot of diabetiocs for $800 billion.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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And again, you missed the point. They could be losing money and they would still be a drain on our health care system.



http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf
I would agree that administrative costs could be dealt with. However, single payor gov't-run health care is NOT the answer and will only make the problem drastically worse. Do you think there's no red tape with the gov't, just with corporations?
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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I tried to make an appt with one of long islands best internists (according to Newsday) and the secretary said they were very selective with their patient load and they weren't sure they were going to take me on as a patient. They asked me what ins. I had, I told them I had BCBS PPO. They said they'd call me back. I got an appt by the end of the week, so yes I'm very happy with my private for profit ins.
thats continuing to be the case.. More people with government insurance who pays less, and doctors are refusing to see these patients.. And this is what the left is asking for..
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I would agree that administrative costs could be dealt with. However, single payor gov't-run health care is NOT the answer and will only make the problem drastically worse. Do you think there's no red tape with the gov't, just with corporations?
There is far less red tape with any single payor plan, primarily because the Insurers make money off the friction in the system and deliberately drive up switching costs to try and lock in their captive base. The core savings does not come from eliminating red tape. It comes from standardizing that red tape so everybody does the same thing the same way.

Ever seen a doctors office with a row of PCs on a counter because every different insurer demands the doc use their own system, their own formats, their own process and their own appliance?
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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The issue is not how profitable they are. The issue is that they add too much cost to the system. About 16 cents of every health care dollar is accounted for by the incremental administrative costs of private health insurance companies.

That's almost about $400 billion wasted dollars a year.

You can treat a lot of diabetics for $400 billion.
You clearly have no clue because government NOW doesnt manage healthcare costs.. they subcontract this out to private insurance. BCofPA for example manages the PA welfare claims.. Wexford Health of Pittsburgh manages dozens of prisons.. The reason they contract these claims out to private industries is TO SAVE MONEY.. for profit corporations do it cheaper than government ever could!!
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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Ever seen a doctors office with a row of PCs on a counter because every different insurer demands the doc use their own system, their own formats, their own process and their own appliance?
that was done away with a very long time ago.. Doctor offices even received federal grants to move their system onto a single platform shared by everyone. You dont need single payer to move to a single processing system..
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Double your number to come up with the amount of Medicare/Medicaid fraud. (GOVT CONTROLLED).

You can treat a lot of diabetiocs for $800 billion.
Now you're just making numbers up. Ignoring that there is just as much fraud going on with private insurance, Medicare fraud is only about $60B a year.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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that was done away with a very long time ago.. Doctor offices even received federal grants to move their system onto a single platform shared by everyone. You dont need single payer to move to a single processing system..
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. I am in health care. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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