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So do you think it was merely coincidence that the slave states were the ones who pulled out? Would they would have seceded if slavery had been welcomed in the United States?
A better question is would they have pulled out if the Presidential election hadn't been won by Lincoln. Because Lincoln's election had a lot more resonance than simply a slavery issue. The election of a candidate with zero support from a region of the country makes it clear that that region has no influence on the federal government. Electoral votes reflect legislature control on the federal level. Especially in the context of how Presidents were elected prior to 1860. When a President is elected without reference to half the nation, it means that that same half will lose in Congress on issue after issue after issue.
Why was the American Revolution fought just a scant eighty years before? To assure the people they would have a voice in their government? And eighty years later, the rural part of this nation, the moneymaker for the federal government to boot, was made pointedly aware that their voice was irrelevant. Do you understand what that meant? Why a region who felt it would not have a say in the federal government might want to secede?
That is a patently ridiculous statement. History sets the social, polticial and economic context for EVERYTHING that happens between human beings on this planet.
The war has been re-branded as celebrations come up to drastically play down the role of slavery, and the fact it even happened. Instead many are making it all about "states rights" while the good ol' southern boys were defending their homes from the warring North.
Screw that one of the tantamount reasons to secession was to keep human beings as property I guess.
I have two principal reactions to the promotion of slavery as related to the Civil War.
First, as a modern society, it is incumbent upon all U.S. citizens to ensure the rights and privileges of all citizens of the U.S., as well as anywhere on the planet possible, are protected.
Second, in a retrospect, the sooner I can get over my abuses by others in the days of my youth, the sooner I can get on with a more productive life.
As a thought, aren't Santa's elves a form of slavery as well?
That is a patently ridiculous statement. History sets the social, polticial and economic context for EVERYTHING that happens between human beings on this planet.
The civil war was about states’ rights. One of those rights was the right to own slaves but the larger issue was states’ rights and that they should be preeminent over the Federal government. Lincoln, a Republican, didn’t really care about slavery and a bunch of Northern Whites were not going to lay down their lives to free a bunch of Blacks that most of them had never seen in their lives. If you believe otherwise you are fooling yourself and you don’t understand human nature.
The reason that Lincoln made the war about slavery is that the European powers were about to enter the war on the South’s side. The reason is that the South was a major producer of raw materials that the industrialized European powers needed. The North, which was also industrialized, was a direct competitor with European countries. Since slavery had already been eliminated in Europe Lincoln knew that if he made the war about a righteous cause of freeing the slaves then the European powers could not possibly enter the war on the South’s side. His plan worked and the European powers stayed out of the war.
Today Slavery is a distant relic of the past. Even without the civil war it would have ended long ago as technology made it cost-ineffective. The issue of State’s rights Vs. Federal Rights is still relevant today and so it is right and proper that we focus on that issue when talking about the causes of the civil war.
older thread, older post but exactly as I have felt all along about the Civil War and the issues. I do not want to "fight" the war over again and I am not trying to evade the issues but, this post pretty well cuts to the chase, so to speak. Thank you.
older thread, older post but exactly as I have felt all along about the Civil War and the issues. I do not want to "fight" the war over again and I am not trying to evade the issues but, this post pretty well cuts to the chase, so to speak. Thank you.
If you believe that I have a few fairy tales to tell.
The ordinances of secession speak of but one right, the right to own slaves, and no other.
As for Europe intervening in the war, other than as a result of the Trent Affair which was soon corrected, nothing could be further from the truth. What was at stake was Europe's recognition of the South as a sovereign nation and with that regard slavery or no, there was great opposition amongst the British population and Parliament to do that.
Ignoring that slavery played any part in the civil war, and rewriting the history of owning other human beings, is part of the Neo-Confederate movement. Which is a heavily dominionist and racist concept that is continued now by Stormfronts "Lost cause of the South". This was originally started by old confederate soldiers after the end of the war, most of which went on to found the KKK.
Nice that even today some people haven't moved beyond this way of thinking.
Ignoring that slavery played any part in the civil war, and rewriting the history of owning other human beings, is part of the Neo-Confederate movement. Which is a heavily dominionist and racist concept that is continued now by Stormfronts "Lost cause of the South". This was originally started by old confederate soldiers after the end of the war, most of which went on to found the KKK.
And I might add that it was the rallying cry for segregationist for 100 years... and counting.
Maybe the abolitionists were the ones who thought it was about slavery.
And maybe their viewpoint was wrong.
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