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Old 01-27-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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It's a complete coincidence that the slave holding states are the ones who seceded. The secession of the slave holding states actually had nothing to do with them holding slaves. The slave states could not have cared less about slaves -- that was merely something the North came up with to hassle them about.

It was all about tariffs and states rights.
It was all about long-standing historic and cultural differences. Slavery was one of those historic and cultural differences. The disparity between who was paying for the federal government and who was benefiting from the federal government was another difference. The schism in the country about how the balance of power between the states and the federal government was inherent to the country from its very inception. Your sarcasm is misplaced, there is a larger context than simply slavery to be considered when looking at the differences between the large agrarian states and the smaller states that were increasingly urbanized and industrialized.
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Old 01-27-2011, 05:55 PM
 
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I don't mind revising history if and when new documents or artifacts requires a reassessment of known facts, but to simply take established facts based upon contemporary accounts and documents... well I have little tolerance for such "revisionism" especially when it comes to Holocaust deniers and revisionist neo-Confederates who think that just spinning known facts into fairy tales has anything to do with history.
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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What about historians who falsify historical documents? Like the guy who recently changed a date on one of Lincoln's Executive Orders?
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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What about historians who falsify historical documents? Like the guy who recently changed a date on one of Lincoln's Executive Orders?
You know the old adage about there being no questions? Well it is wrong, because your question is a perfect example of a stupid question, especially when you consider the context in which it has been raised.

But to avoid being accused of trying to wiggle out of what you consider to be a bright and pithy contraposition. A historian who falsifies a document is a fraud and where the law applies should be prosecuted as such. However what one fraudulent document has to do with the volumes of verified documents that we have about the Civil War is simply beyond me.
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Because if ONE could be falsified, any number of them could.

The only history that matters is current events.

By the way, what "crime" could you honestly charge him with? He didn't harm anyone by doing it.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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It was all about long-standing historic and cultural differences. Slavery was one of those historic and cultural differences. The disparity between who was paying for the federal government and who was benefiting from the federal government was another difference. The schism in the country about how the balance of power between the states and the federal government was inherent to the country from its very inception. Your sarcasm is misplaced, there is a larger context than simply slavery to be considered when looking at the differences between the large agrarian states and the smaller states that were increasingly urbanized and industrialized.
So do you think it was merely coincidence that the slave states were the ones who pulled out? Would they would have seceded if slavery had been welcomed in the United States?
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Regardless the "true" motivations, or however folks "re-frame the issue", it doesn't change the fact that the South tenaciously held onto slavery long after the rest of the civilized world renounced it. And if you count Segregation, the South has continued to hold onto it, even well into the 20th century (if not the 21st as well).
Don't forget the wonderful and enlightened North held unto slaves essentially as long as the evilracissoppressorwhitey South did.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:11 PM
 
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Because if ONE could be falsified, any number of them could.
You only get one bite out of the Stupid Apple.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Well, even if YOU think I'm stupid, it's better than being naive, like you are.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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Well, even if YOU think I'm stupid, it's better than being naive, like you are.
No I don't think that you are stupid, I thought your question was stupid as was your line of argument.
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