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Old 01-14-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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No, it isn't, but that doesn't mean they cannot at least use the FEMA camps as you mentioned. They are all over the country just sitting empty.
They wont allow shanty's to be built along side towns, or in parks like they did in the 30's. They have already cut up tents that the homeless had put up.

Either way it goes, we will pay either through assistance or increased security when these people have nowhere to go and are pushed around to the extreme and start fighting back and killing others.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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And soon to be a permanent one in Afghanistan.

And who says we aren't an empire.

We have to keep adding new bases because it provides safety and stability for US business's, mega corps and investment banks to conduct commerce throughout the world.

Socialism for the rich is what it is at my expense.

I'd rather my tax dollars go to help American's here at home than the pirates, crooks and thieves running the show.
An empire crumbling and Amen to your last statement!

One book I highly recommend - "Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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I haven't really responded to your OP but will now.

Are you wanting modern day workhouses???
That's how it seems to me as well. I don't see this as "humane" at all.

Think of how dangerous this would be if homeless/out of work people were crammed together in big camps.

There has to be a better way than this.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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There's already a massive Embassy Bush built in Iraq. Did anyone honestly buy this crap about spreading democracy or "they hate us for our freedom?"
Well..we'll see if another "promise" is kept or broken.
Promise of NO permanent bases.

PolitiFact | The Obameter: No permanent bases in Iraq - Obama promise No. 132:
"In a speech at Camp Lejeune, N.C., on Feb. 27, 2009, President Barack Obama pledged to end the combat mission in Iraq by Aug. 31, 2010. And speaking more directly to the issue of permanent bases, he said, "I intend to remove all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011."
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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They wont allow shanty's to be built along side towns, or in parks like they did in the 30's. They have already cut up tents that the homeless had put up.

Either way it goes, we will pay either through assistance or increased security when these people have nowhere to go and are pushed around to the extreme and start fighting back and killing others.
Yeah, and that is what Joe Six Pack isn't quite seeing here. Only the RICH will be able to afford to hire security. The rest of us are on our own.

What I propose is a forward thinking way of addressing this situation. It's inevitable when the jobs simply are not there.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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Like it or not, we are going to have a real problem on our hands. Our jobs have been shipped overseas and the truth is there simply are NOT enough jobs to go around. I don't see this improving.

Some people who are over 50 have killed themselves in despair. Others in their 20s wonder how they'll ever get out from under their student loan debt or be able to find a job.

For those who don't have family or friends to fall back on, isn't is really government and business's responsibility to provide for some kind of housing? I mean, we bailed out Wall Street. Now it's their turn. What's your opinion?
We shouldn't have bailed out Wall Street in the first place.

Here are some solutions:
- Increase taxes on companies that don't have the majority of their employees in the U.S. Some will leave, some will change.
- Increase tariffs on goods from countries that don't have at least a trade policy with us that isn't at least neutral to our interests. Hopefully that will make American goods less expensive compared to imports. I haven't run the numbers.
- Enforce our immigration laws by deporting more people and going after employers with huge fines, so the low end jobs illegals are taking can be taken by working class / poor American citizens. Give current illegal residents 1 year to apply for a non-citizen work permit and give them last dibs on available jobs.
- Create a pool of part-time, temporary, non-union, low end government jobs for the unemployed instead of handing out unemployment checks. Workers can use their free time to apply for jobs or go train for a permanent, IN DEMAND POSITION. See Hawkins Humphrey Act of 1977.
- Encourage people to move to places where jobs are now, like people used to do in the past. People now seem to have the mentality that they can remain in an economically devastated area with no future job growth, and the federal government (aka the rest of us) need to come in and save them.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yeah, and that is what Joe Six Pack isn't quite seeing here. Only the RICH will be able to afford to hire security. The rest of us are on our own.

What I propose is a forward thinking way of addressing this situation. It's inevitable when the jobs simply are not there.
That is already a way of life in some countries.
What you propose is nothing more than shelter over their heads..what do they do all day sitting in these so called camps with nothing to do ?
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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That's how it seems to me as well. I don't see this as "humane" at all.

Think of how dangerous this would be if homeless/out of work people were crammed together in big camps.

There has to be a better way than this.
Hey, I am not saying I have the answers, which is why I am generating discussion. I just know that two older people who could not find work killed themselves and I would like to not see this become a trend. I see more people coming in to the Food Bank for food these days and of all colors. Some I am sure never thought they'd be at a food bank getting food.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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That is already a way of life in some countries.
What you propose is nothing more than shelter over their heads..what do they do all day sitting in these so called camps with nothing to do ?
This has already been done, and was a disaster. It's called housing projects. Do we really want to start doing that again, after we finally figured out they didn't work, were major cesspools of poverty and crime, and the government finally started tearing them down? The government has already proven it cannot manage large concentrations of housing for poor, unemployed people.

Giving a person a free house isn't going to help them for long term self-sufficiency. Give a man a job and he'll be able to provide his own housing and all his other needs.
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Old 01-14-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Here
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Either way it goes, we will pay either through assistance or increased security when these people have nowhere to go and are pushed around to the extreme and start fighting back and killing others.
Take care of us now or you're going to regret it later.
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