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Old 01-30-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Hillary kept quiet and any remarks were very generic.
Obama kept quiet and any remarks were very generic.

Biden..well I guess he didn't get the memo. Poor Joe..he never gets the memo.
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Old 01-30-2011, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Obama is twisting in the wind trying to figure out how to come out smelling like a rose.

Egyptian opposition figure criticizes Obama response: 'Let go of a dictator' - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

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A leading Egyptian opposition figure criticized the response of the White House to the Egyptian unrest on Sunday, saying it was received "like lead."

Mohamed ElBaradei, the former head of the International Atomic Enegry Agency and a 2006 Nobel Peace Prize recipient, told ABC's "This Week" that the people were expecting the U.S. to be on the side of democracy and "let go of a dictator."
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Old 01-30-2011, 05:04 PM
 
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Iraq was more of a democracy before the invasion than it is now. Al-Sadr will take over Iraq the minute the US pulls out.
Oh right, right. Rigged elections, suppression of opposition party, death and torture to those brave enough to speak out, thousands in mass graves, gassed to death.
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Old 01-30-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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Well I hope the other countries where we are propping up governments are watching.
Even if the US is financing your fat cat lifestyle and your army, once the tables turn we throw you under the bus and sit on the fence wondering if we will have a new friend or not.

We're no better than the dictators we keep in power.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Obama is twisting in the wind trying to figure out how to come out smelling like a rose.

Egyptian opposition figure criticizes Obama response: 'Let go of a dictator' - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
So what do you recommend?

He could back the opposition but then Mubarak might survive and we are screwed.

Or

He could back Mubarak and the opposition win and we are also screwed.

And then, which opposition? The Muslim Brotherhood? Or maybe Mohamed ElBaradei ... you know, the guy the previous administration tried to stop getting another term at the IAEA.

Seriously, your criticisms are shallow, facile, opportunist and transparent. Navigating such a complex and changing situation is a tremendously difficult thing to do. The administration is, I think, doing their best in a tough situation. But no doubt you will find something else to complain about no matter what the outcome. After all, you clearly already know the outcome.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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Sure he is a dictator. I don't see how you can see it any other way. However, are you sure that Egypt really wants a democracy? The Islamic Brotherhood seems to be behind a lot of the protests.

Be careful what you wish for here, it may be better to have dictator than a theocracy like Iran. I would be in favor of a democracy, but you have to see who is pulling the strings for the protests.
Yes, it's not really a matter of Mubarak being a dictator, the mullahs are after that job.

Islamic regimes are dictatorships.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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Unbelievable! Here we are on the brink of possibly having Egypt taken over by Islamic fundamentalists and some are still pointing a finger at biden because of his comment. It's like the house is burning down and someone's complaining that they forgot to take out the garbage. Sheesh! It doesn't matter! get off the partisan BS.

Can anyone here in this thread name 1 country in the middle east besides Israel that is a true democracy? Just 1...........anybody? Egypt is a democracy by degree if you factor in the rest of the middle east crapholes. Egyptians had much more freedom and stability than any other ME country. And if Mubarak goes, I guarentee that they will have alot less freedom when the mullahs take over. And I predict that if egypt goes so will Jordan, Yemen and the prize....Saudi Arabia. Iran will be the main player and the price of gas will be 20.00 bucks a gallon if you can find any. We are on the edge of some very deep, worldwide dodo. Forget about Biden, we all better hope that Mubarak can restore order for the sake of our's, Israel's and the rest of the world's future.
Yes I agree. Biden's simply warning people that the government in Egypt that's about to fall allows for more freedom than the one they'll be getting.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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So what do you recommend?

He could back the opposition but then Mubarak might survive and we are screwed.

Or

He could back Mubarak and the opposition win and we are also screwed.

And then, which opposition? The Muslim Brotherhood? Or maybe Mohamed ElBaradei ... you know, the guy the previous administration tried to stop getting another term at the IAEA.

Seriously, your criticisms are shallow, facile, opportunist and transparent. Navigating such a complex and changing situation is a tremendously difficult thing to do. The administration is, I think, doing their best in a tough situation. But no doubt you will find something else to complain about no matter what the outcome. After all, you clearly already know the outcome.
Meanwhile it's pretty public knowledge that the US has been financing Mubarak and his army for decades.

"We're your friend until we're not your friend" ?
The US has NEVER cared about the people or what went on in that country. All they cared about was access to the Suez Canal..PERIOD.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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Yes, it's not really a matter of Mubarak being a dictator, the mullahs are after that job.

Islamic regimes are dictatorships.
Mohamed ElBaradei seems to be the leading moderate opposition politician. But .... will Mubarak survive? Is ElBaradei strong enough and popular enough to win through? What of the Muslim Brotherhood? What of the army? Are the Egyptian people up for an Islamic Republic?

Right now there are so many unknowns and so many variables its really hard to know how it will finally play out.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Meanwhile it's pretty public knowledge that the US has been financing Mubarak and his army for decades.

"We're your friend until we're not your friend" ?
The US has NEVER cared about the people or what went on in that country. All they cared about was access to the Suez Canal..PERIOD.
Absolutely agree with you And now the Administration is scrambling to navigate the new situation while protecting US commercial and strategic interests.
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