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Old 04-09-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: America
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So basically, you resent women who have an abortion because you and your wife can't procreate. Talk about selfish! This is akin to someone who envies his neighbor having a bevy of hot of beauties coming in and out of his house because he tires of them shortly and you are stuck with your homely wife of 25 years, "what's he got that I haven't got?"



Obviously, you know nothing about this subject. Do you honestly think that 100% of women who elect to carry a child to full term actually deliver a live person? What more to expect from someone who can't keep his subjective opinion out of a debate about forcing women to undergo an ultrasound before she can have an abortion.

Forcing women. Forcing. You must be on a power trip if you condone the forcing of anything on anyone's person.

By the way, I noticed that you used this husband-kills-wife scenario yet again - you seem to have an unusual preoccupation with this concept.
Some of you will never get sick of using that tired "men want to control women" bull****. But let's make this clear, most pro-lifers could care less about what you do with your time. We support your rights. We do not support you infringing on the rights of an unborn child.

Yeah yeah, the fetus hasn't reached a certain point in development so it's not really a life ...shove that fabricated "technicality" in our faces all you want, but it doesn't stop abortion from being murder. I'm confident that most women who have aborted babies know this in the back of their mind.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:48 PM
 
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Some of you will never get sick of using that tired "men want to control women" bull****. But let's make this clear, most pro-lifers could care less about what you do with your time. We support your rights. We do not support you infringing on the rights of an unborn child.

Yeah yeah, the fetus hasn't reached a certain point in development so it's not really a life ...shove that fabricated "technicality" in our faces all you want, but it doesn't stop abortion from being murder. I'm confident that most women who have aborted babies know this in the back of their mind.
women are not stupid, we know what abortion is. what we personally may think of abortion is our business as well as if we have an abortion or not. no one else gets a say except for the individual woman. we have a right to privacy. sorry if you don't like it
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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Some of you will never get sick of using that tired "men want to control women" bull****. But let's make this clear, most pro-lifers could care less about what you do with your time. We support your rights. We do not support you infringing on the rights of an unborn child.

Yeah yeah, the fetus hasn't reached a certain point in development so it's not really a life ...shove that fabricated "technicality" in our faces all you want, but it doesn't stop abortion from being murder. I'm confident that most women who have aborted babies know this in the back of their mind.
The fact is, what most women know is now and will forever remain a mystery to you. Of that one thing I am certain. You can have all the confidence in the world as far as anyone else is concerned. Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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women are not stupid, we know what abortion is. what we personally may think of abortion is our business as well as if we have an abortion or not. no one else gets a say except for the individual woman. we have a right to privacy. sorry if you don't like it
See. Right there. Abortion automatically has to be taken back to an issue of feminism. A man who is against abortion is against women's rights. Either that or I'm being an insensitive dud. Get over yourself already.

Again, my stance is not whether or not women have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies; it's that they don't have the right to do whatever they want to another life.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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The fact is, what most women know is now and will forever remain a mystery to you. Of that one thing I am certain. You can have all the confidence in the world as far as anyone else is concerned. Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.
Well unless you're able to prove me wrong, you really have no room to suggest that I even might be. So I guess it's 50/50 huh?

I lose no sleep at night over this, but thanks. My child was carried by a woman who'd never dream of an abortion. It's all good in my hood.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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See. Right there. Abortion automatically has to be taken back to an issue of feminism. A man who is against abortion is against women's rights. Either that or I'm being an insensitive dud. Get over yourself already.

Again, my stance is not whether or not women have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies; it's that they don't have the right to do whatever they want to another life.

a man or a woman who doesn't support choice is only partially supporting woman's rights. it is when boiled down a woman's issue.

the "life" is not a life that can live without the womb, once a life can live outside the womb then it has an equal say but until then, the pregnant woman desires trump all. her womb she can use it as she sees fit
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Well unless you're able to prove me wrong, you really have no room to suggest that I even might be. So I guess it's 50/50 huh?

I lose no sleep at night over this, but thanks. My child was carried by a woman who'd never dream of an abortion. It's all good in my hood.
When people use the word "most" to describe something, it is a dead giveaway for "I'm about to state my opinion like it's a fact".

Congratulations on siring a child - sounds like you won in the lottery of life. As long as you're happy with the results, more power to you. Not sure why your personal reproductive choices are relevant in this thread though.

Something tells me you're not too happy, however, because you seem overly concerned with how other people choose to live out their lives and the choices they make. Seems like the action of a malcontent.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:19 PM
 
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a man or a woman who doesn't support choice is only partially supporting woman's rights. it is when boiled down a woman's issue.

the "life" is not a life that can live without the womb, once a life can live outside the womb then it has an equal say but until then, the pregnant woman desires trump all. her womb she can use it as she sees fit
That arbitrary definition that allows abortion to be legal. But that definition of "life" was created. It is not indisputable. Regardless, what's being aborted is still human.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:23 PM
 
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When people use the word "most" to describe something, it is a dead giveaway for "I'm about to state my opinion like it's a fact".
Nope. Had I said "most women feel this way" then I would be stating an opinion as fact. I said that I believe most women feel this way. It was clear that I was only stating an opinion.

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Congratulations on siring a child - sounds like you won in the lottery of life. As long as you're happy with the results, more power to you. Not sure why your personal reproductive choices are relevant in this thread though.

Something tells me you're not too happy, however, because you seem overly concerned with how other people choose to live out their lives and the choices they make. Seems like the action of a malcontent.
Well, I guess the insults are right on schedule. Keep them coming.

And I'm quite happy, actually. Saw this thread and decided to share my two-cents. Just like you.

If anything, it's clear that you have a passion for making anyone feel bad for not thinking like you.
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Old 04-09-2011, 09:36 PM
 
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Nope. Had I said "most women feel this way" then I would be stating an opinion as fact. I said that I believe most women feel this way. It was clear that I was only stating an opinion.


Well, I guess the insults are right on schedule. Keep them coming.

And I'm quite happy, actually. Saw this thread and decided to share my two-cents. Just like you.

If anything, it's clear that you have a passion for making anyone feel bad for not thinking like you.
You think congratulating someone on siring a child is an insult? Forgive me - I didn't realize that. I thought you were stating this assertion as a matter of pride, not shame.

If someone feels bad about themselves because of my convictions about abortion, then the problem is not with me. I don't feel any different about myself after reading some of the more colorful beliefs and opinions voiced in this thread.
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