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Old 04-08-2011, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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And........how much do ya wanna bet that these same old, married, white guys would beg their mistress to abort if they became pregnant?

Of course, with their money and connections, they would be in a position to easily procure an abortion.......even if it was banned, wouldn't they?
exactly. They dont care about the single Moms who you see Aalot of in Appalachia who cannot put food on the table. Its sickening. The same far right that b-tches about EBT and Medicaid pretends these poor people dont exist.

One way or the other guys, you CANNOT have your cake and eat it too.Well, in the case of their mistresses they can, lol.
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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it is not my opinion, it is the law of our land.

again, you are giving your opinion how you wish things were to counter the law and how things are....

here let's do it logically.

"killing" is illegal and a crime, while abortion is legal and not a crime, therefore, it is a FACT that abortion does not equal "killing"
The law of the land in Germany was to exterminate the Jews. Just because it is a law does not mean people should not speak for what is right
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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exactly. They dont care about the single Moms who you see Aalot of in Appalachia who cannot put food on the table. Its sickening. The same far right that b-tches about EBT and Medicaid pretends these poor people dont exist.

One way or the other guys, you CANNOT have your cake and eat it too.Well, in the case of their mistresses they can, lol.
And you think its better to kill them because they are poor. Class warfare at its greatest
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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The law of the land in Germany was to exterminate the Jews. Just because it is a law does not mean people should not speak for what is right
resorting to Hitler??? weak, really weak.

Speak of what you wish it was, but don't distort what we have... abortion is not killing
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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it is not my opinion, it is the law of our land.

again, you are giving your opinion how you wish things were to counter the law and how things are....

here let's do it logically.

"killing" is illegal and a crime, while abortion is legal and not a crime, therefore, it is a FACT that abortion does not equal "killing"

That's silliness.
The legality of an act does not change the name or description of the act. The fact that it's LEGAL doesn't not make it NOT killing.
Ex... Someone breaks into your house and atacks you with a knife. You, being a master martial artist, defend yourself and throw him down the stairs, where he breaks his neck & dies. This act is PERFECTY legal. Can you possibly assert that there was NOT a killing?
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:57 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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I hope those people who equate abortion with killing have an idea about how to prosecute (and whom to prosecute) when an embryo or a fetus spontaneously aborts itself. It happens ALL THE TIME. Let's add to the expectant moms' grief by pressing charges against her not having a viable womb.

Abortion is abortion - you can call it a miscarriage to make it sound less grave, but doctors know that it is still "abortion". Who is going to be the crusader for all those dead fetuses and embryos? Or - do their lives not count?
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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I hope those people who equate abortion with killing have an idea about how to prosecute (and whom to prosecute) when an embryo or a fetus spontaneously aborts itself. It happens ALL THE TIME. Let's add to the expectant moms' grief by pressing charges against her not having a viable womb.

Abortion is abortion - you can call it a miscarriage to make it sound less grave, but doctors know that it is still "abortion". Who is going to be the crusader for all those dead fetuses and embryos? Or - do their lives not count?
You need to check the vocabulary. To KILL something is to make a living thing stop living. You can kill a person, a dig, a tree, a virus, and yes, a fetus. One cannot argue that the fetus is indeed living. Abortion is, therefore, killing the fetus. Your argument is that abortion is not MURDER. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a person. According to the law, abortion is legal, and therefore abortion is not murder. But it is killing.
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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Wow this is a big thread. Sorry I can't read it all but to answer the OP, yes I believe anyone who decides to have abortion should hear the heartbeat of their unborn child.
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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That's silliness.
The legality of an act does not change the name or description of the act. The fact that it's LEGAL doesn't not make it NOT killing.
Ex... Someone breaks into your house and atacks you with a knife. You, being a master martial artist, defend yourself and throw him down the stairs, where he breaks his neck & dies. This act is PERFECTY legal. Can you possibly assert that there was NOT a killing?
nope, sorry, if you throw this example person of yours down a flight of stairs, that is killing because it involves a living breathing person, it becomes a matter of whether it was justified. if the law sees it as justifiable, i.e. self defense it would not be a crime, still a killing.

Abortion is not killing. Ex... the woman has decided to evict the fetus and goes to the doctor to help with the eviction. once the fetus is outside of the woman's body the fetus dies because it cannot survive without the womb. Fetus died of natural causes.

Same as the sheriff evicting someone from their foreclosed home in the middle of a winter storm, without the warmth of that home they evictee dies. You going to go after the banks and the sheriff's for evicting people from their homes just as vigorously? just saying...
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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You need to check the vocabulary. To KILL something is to make a living thing stop living. You can kill a person, a dig, a tree, a virus, and yes, a fetus. One cannot argue that the fetus is indeed living. Abortion is, therefore, killing the fetus. Your argument is that abortion is not MURDER. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a person. According to the law, abortion is legal, and therefore abortion is not murder. But it is killing.
a mole is "living" is that murder when you cut it off?

you decide for yourself if the fetus is "living" when "life" begins is a judgment call that should be left up to the individual woman.

stay out of my womb what I do with it is not your business
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