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Old 05-27-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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There where better things to concern yourself with that went on in Vietnam rather than Jane Fonda. She was wrong for what she did, but anger should have been reserved for people like McNamara.
Jane was nothing like Bob, can I call him Bob, McNamara.

"Is holocaust too emotionally charged a word? How many millions of dead innocent civilians does it take to qualify labels like holocaust, genocide or terrorism? How many of the limbless victims of his fragmentation bombs and land mines whom I saw in Vietnam during and after the war? Or are America's leaders always to be exempted from such questions? Perhaps if McNamara had been held legally accountable for his actions, the architects of the Iraq debacle might have paused."

McNamara's Evil Lives On | The Nation
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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War and Protest are two extremely different things.........
Not when protest is redefined as insurgency, as with the cute Bush axiom,
"You're either with us, or you're a terrist."
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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I wasnt born yet when the vietnam war was going on, but I have been reading that most of the population back in the states had hatred for the soldiers over there fighting, just wondering why that was? Im assuming because the people were getting tired of hearing about the war and took it out on those that decided to serve in it? Well, if this is true, then we are approaching that same sentiment again, it wont be to long before people get tired of hearing about the two wars we are in now, and possibly getting ready to start another one? People will first take it out on the elected to office in washington, then after awhile, they begin to have hatred for the troops who decide to serve. It may not seem that way with all the support our troops signs we see all over, but I believe what happened in vietnam will happen again once people get sick of hearing about it.
I'm probably going to cover turf thats been well trod here but I'ma gonna dood it anyway. Viet Nam was a different critter. A large piece of those who were sent there were draftees, as opposed to our all volunteer force of today. The sickening behavior of the 'protesters' of the 60's would fly bout as far as a lead balloon today. LMAO, I would not count on seeing a whole lot of widespread spitting on soldiers and 'baby killer' rhetoric starting up either. The leftist media has been slavering over the prospect of 60's style 'protests' kicking off over the war on terror,and they are still waiting. The widely covered but extremely small groups that have tried such idiocy have been stuffed by veterans advocacy groups, the latter having far greater numbers and far more support, thus moshing the liberal medias dream of treading the path that Kronkite had during Nam. No, I don't see a return to the 60's pard. That's a VERY dead horse
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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I'm probably going to cover turf thats been well trod here but I'ma gonna dood it anyway. Viet Nam was a different critter. A large piece of those who were sent there were draftees, as opposed to our all volunteer force of today. The sickening behavior of the 'protesters' of the 60's would fly bout as far as a lead balloon today. LMAO, I would not count on seeing a whole lot of widespread spitting on soldiers and 'baby killer' rhetoric starting up either. The leftist media has been slavering over the prospect of 60's style 'protests' kicking off over the war on terror,and they are still waiting. The widely covered but extremely small groups that have tried such idiocy have been stuffed by veterans advocacy groups, the latter having far greater numbers and far more support, thus moshing the liberal medias dream of treading the path that Kronkite had during Nam. No, I don't see a return to the 60's pard. That's a VERY dead horse

The current soldiers are soldiers of conscience, as they chose, rather than were forced.
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I'm probably going to cover turf thats been well trod here but I'ma gonna dood it anyway. Viet Nam was a different critter. A large piece of those who were sent there were draftees, as opposed to our all volunteer force of today. The sickening behavior of the 'protesters' of the 60's would fly bout as far as a lead balloon today. LMAO, I would not count on seeing a whole lot of widespread spitting on soldiers and 'baby killer' rhetoric starting up either. The leftist media has been slavering over the prospect of 60's style 'protests' kicking off over the war on terror,and they are still waiting. The widely covered but extremely small groups that have tried such idiocy have been stuffed by veterans advocacy groups, the latter having far greater numbers and far more support, thus moshing the liberal medias dream of treading the path that Kronkite had during Nam. No, I don't see a return to the 60's pard. That's a VERY dead horse
I agree. This is a different time. The behavior of the Vietnam protesters was a national embarrassment. Something we learned from and are unlikely to repeat anytime soon. Except for tiny groups of morons, like the Westboro Baptists, nobody is disparaging our military. Today, the vast majority of those who protest wars are attacking our political leaders who sent our military into war, as it should be.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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I agree. This is a different time. The behavior of the Vietnam protesters was a national embarrassment. Something we learned from and are unlikely to repeat anytime soon. Except for tiny groups of morons, like the Westboro Baptists, nobody is disparaging our military. Today, the vast majority of those who protest wars are attacking our political leaders who sent our military into war, as it should be.
If we were as affluent today as we was in the 60s, Obama would need a draft to agress.

He left me cold with his State of the Union agress.

Course with Bush, well that's different, I mean, he was funny!

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Old 05-28-2011, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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It did indeed happen. I did not serve in Vietnam. I volunteered in July 1972 and was sent to Okinawa after boot camp in December 1972. When I returned in January 1974 I flew into Hawaii on a military transport, and then switched to a civilian airplane to fly into San Francisco. I was wearing my Class A uniform and carrying my duffel bag, and had absolutely no problems with anyone in Hawaii. However, when I arrived in San Francisco that changed.

Even though I had never been to Vietnam, and never killed anyone, I was accused of being a "baby killer", had objects thrown at me, and was spit upon. And that was before I got out of the San Francisco airport.

If San Francisco were to be nuked tomorrow, I would not shed a single tear. I would be dancing in the streets.
Just as long as it also takes out Berkeley. They're still hating on America and it's military as if it's the 1960s.
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Old 05-28-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I agree. This is a different time. The behavior of the Vietnam protesters was a national embarrassment. Something we learned from and are unlikely to repeat anytime soon. Except for tiny groups of morons, like the Westboro Baptists, nobody is disparaging our military. Today, the vast majority of those who protest wars are attacking our political leaders who sent our military into war, as it should be.
I remember, all to well, my Dads homecoming in 69, and have been unable to forgive the hippy generation to this day. I am also glad to see ire over wars directed at the proper folks. The Westboro Baptists... Morons is too soft a term. The newsie types immediatly went off in yowls when Desert Storm started, bangin' their gums bout "kent state, then and now", " soon the body bags will be coming home" blah blah blah. Good greif! they STILL slobber over the prospect of such drivel. Yea....as if the 60's was such an admirable time in our history. Real glory days stuff there.............
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:02 PM
 
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Anyone who "signed up" to go to Viet Nam, violated MY Constitution, which prohibited such carnage without a Congressional declaration of war.

Anyone who was forced to violate my country's Constitution, via the draft, should have a bone to pick with the Government, not the people!
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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How does hatred of a particular war equate to hatred of soldiers That's craziness!
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