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While that may be satisfying to you, the reality is that the Democratic senators aren't the ones being punished, their constituents are. And that's an injustice.
No it is not an injustice. It should be a lesson to those who voted these idiots into office that they need to have better judgment when casting their next vote. People are supposed to learn from their mistakes.
Nope! The Dems were elected and chose to desert their responsibility. Those who elected them need to recall and replace them with representatives who will take their responsibilities seriously and quit this childish foolishness of getting mad and throwing a temper tantrum like a little kid when they are on the losing side.
I think the Republicans should consider carefully their actions on this matter. Disenfranchising entire districts is not a matter of childish foolishness. It's wrong. Simple and plain. Wrong. A foundation of the republican form of government is that the people are entitled to representation. To break that faith with the people is a much more serious breach of faith than what the Democrats did, which was political gamesmanship.
No it is not an injustice. It should be a lesson to those who voted these idiots into office that they need to have better judgment when casting their next vote. People are supposed to learn from their mistakes.
So you think that it's okay for the majority party to "teach" constituents that they shouldn't vote for people of another political party? And you still call yourself an American?????
They are not doing anything illegal. So, in the United States of America you can use any LEGAL tool at your disposal, and this is one of them.
They arent even using this as a "tool".. They HAVE to follow the laws in place that ALL elected offices must follow.. This isnt a local family discussion that when your child enters the room they can join in.. They HAVE to take part in roll call in order for the votes to not be challenged in the court of law..
What do Democrats want, these Democrats to vote and then every vote they make challenged on legality issues? Then they'd be moaning and groaning about that as well..
I think the Republicans should consider carefully their actions on this matter. Disenfranchising entire districts is not a matter of childish foolishness. It's wrong. Simple and plain. Wrong. A foundation of the republican form of government is that the people are entitled to representation. To break that faith with the people is a much more serious breach of faith than what the Democrats did, which was political gamesmanship.
And the recall effort to recall the Repubs isn't disenfranchising entire districts and stripping constituents of representation? Please explain how this isn't and the other is.
Isnt that what the recall is about? Stripping constituents of their representation?
Isnt that what the recall is about? Stripping constituents of their representation?
No one is trying to strip the Democrats of their legislative representation.. Its Democrats trying to strip the Republicans of theirs.. Democrats will be allowed to vote SOON AS THEY ARE DEEMED PRESENT..
And in the meantime, various legislative matters will be considered and voted upon? Then it stands to reason that those legislative matters will impact all the people of the state. And yet the people of the state who are represented by the Democratic senators will have no vote on such matters. Representation is key to the republican form of government. If you bar some groups representatives from weighing in on government matters, then you effectively bar the people who elected those representatives from the legislative process. That's injustice.
Isnt that what the recall is about? Stripping constituents of their representation?
Isnt that what the recall is about? Stripping constituents of their representation?
No one is trying to strip the Democrats of their legislative representation.. Its Democrats trying to strip the Republicans of theirs.. Democrats will be allowed to vote SOON AS THEY ARE DEEMED PRESENT..
And a recall is not about stripping constituents of their representation. It's about constituents determining that the person elected is not adequately representing the people. Recalls are actions of the people.
So it's okay with you that constituents should be stripped of their representation at the whim of the majority party?????
The constituents didn't do anything wrong, except vote for someone you don't like.
In the United States of America, that is not enough reason for them to lose their legislative representation, for any period of time.
Am I missing something here? The 14 dems were full of themselves, all happy in IL - and KNEW there were potential consequences for their actions.
This country has become a nation where it is Orange County Housewives or whatever that crap show is, do something stupid - yet you face no consequences for it. That is NOT how the world works. They knew what they were doing, and thought that they could get away with grandstanding in IL, and are about to face the piper.
You go thru a red light, you get a ticket, we're all adults here, right?
They arent even using this as a "tool".. They HAVE to follow the laws in place that ALL elected offices must follow.. This isnt a local family discussion that when your child enters the room they can join in.. They HAVE to take part in roll call in order for the votes to not be challenged in the court of law..
What do Democrats want, these Democrats to vote and then every vote they make challenged on legality issues? Then they'd be moaning and groaning about that as well..
Then why not have a roll call? Why wait? Whims of the Senate Majority leader? Fitzgerald is WRONG. He's trying to punish senators, but he forgets that those senators are just spokesmen for the people, and it's the people he punishes when he silences those senators.
And a recall is not about stripping constituents of their representation. It's about constituents determining that the person elected is not adequately representing the people. Recalls are actions of the people.
But there are people who are happy with the senators. Actions of what people? The opposite party? Yep, that's who. This isn't about honesty, this is about dirty Democrat politicas. Dems just can't stand not getting their way. As Obama himself has said, "Elections have consequences". Should we have tried to recall Obama as well? How would you have reacted to that?
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