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Complete partisan hackery at it's finest. For some reason I don't think you would have the same outlook if it were Dems doing this. As a matter of fact I KNOW you wouldn't be saying what you are saying here.
So you think that it's okay for the majority party to "teach" constituents that they shouldn't vote for people of another political party? And you still call yourself an American?????
Didn't say that. Just said that whomever put these 14 in office should learn from their mistake and next time cast their vote for a candidate who will fulfill the duties of that office and not turn tail and run when they know they will not win some vote. Didn't say a darned thing about any parties, now did I!
thats what this is starting to sound like. Sorry but you dont get to change the rules after you run away like a little baby.. Actions have consequences.. If you dont show up for court to tell the judge you are not the father of the baby, the judge can listen to the testimony and pronounce you the dad, even if you arent.
If you dont show up to contest a PFA, a PFA will be granted, even if you are not guilty.
I had a hearing the other day to contest a property tax bill.. If I didnt show up, they would have denied my claim.
Its YOUR fault that you didnt show up... Not the judges...
Okay.
Show me in the Wisconsin Senate rules where the Senate Majority Leader has the power to bar the minority party senators from voting. Show us all this rule.
Didn't say that. Just said that whomever put these 14 in office should learn from their mistake and next time cast their vote for a candidate who will fulfill the duties of that office and not turn tail and run when they know they will not win some vote. Didn't say a darned thing about any parties, now did I!
You think voters in this country need to be "taught" how to vote. Enough said. That's an un-American position, about as un-American as it gets. Shame on you!
Tough noogies, too bad. They didn't want to be a part of the democratic process for weeks, now all of a sudden they feel like they should actually represent their constituents and earn the salaries they get paid?
Someone needs to inform these POS that there are consequences for their actions; if I lived in WI I would do everything I could to permanently ban them from office. They are garbage.
If Democrats would get some balls I'm sure their response could go a whole lot further then tough noogies, too bad. How about they start doing the exact same things. And I'm talking nationwide not just in Wisconsin. If one side can do it the other side can too. Now if only not all Democrats aren't as wimpy as Obama and the ones in DC we might see some retaliation
Wrong.. Citizens have to follow laws set into place by those we elect every single day.. We are told that we must "because they say so"...
Not showing up to do your job is a reason a reason.. that by definition is the meaning of contempt..
willful disobedience or disrespect of court: the crime of deliberately failing to obey or respect the authority of a court of law or legislative body
yes.. "Because we say so" is a reason..
This is not a criminal matter. This is a Senate matter. Senate rules apply. Where in the Senate rules does it say that the Senate majority leader can take the actions that Fitzgerald has taken?
willful disobedience or disrespect of court: the crime of deliberately failing to obey or respect the authority of a court of law or legislative body
yes.. "Because we say so" is a reason..
I actually agree with this; we need to see how far the Republicans will go in their "contempt," and whether they're going to refuse to let Senate Democrats participate in the entirety of the legislative session, but I can't say I have all that much of a problem with those senators facing some consequence for their principled stand against Governor Walker's anti-union legislation.
Saying "We knew this could happen, but what Walker's done was so contrary to our basic principles that we had to take this stand anyway," would show some guts that have been sorely lacking in most of the Democratic Party for a while.
Those 14 were doing their job by leaving the state. They made the Republicans jump through hoops to ram through their agenda against the working man. Leaving the state was how they correctly representated those who voted for them. They were doing their job. Did you think their job was voting?? No! it isn't. there job is representing their districts and that they did very well.
I was upset that the Democrats left the state. I posted as much. I recognize that it's a strategy, but I don't think it's a good strategy. So don't sit there and accuse me of something, when you obviously don't know how I feel on the topic.
Your feelings on the matter doesnt count. Neither you or I get to make legislative decisions, we dont wright the rules that must be followed, but clearly we all must follow them, do you not agree?
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And now that the Democrats are back, Fitzgerald is barring representation. He's not letting them vote.
thats not true.. they can vote.. their vote just wont count until they are deemed present. Again, would you like their vote to be counted and then anything they vote on ruled illegal because rules werent followed? Clearly you would be whining about their vote not counting..
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They are representatives, of someone. Do you think it's fair that their constituents are now not represented, while the Senate entertains legislation that affects those constituents? It's not fair. It's unjust.
I think its unfair that you think people who run away in order to NOT do their job, should be given preferential treatment and dictate the rules to those that did stay to do their job. Explain this to me?
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And Fitzgerald isn't following the rules. He's making them up as they go along. There's nothing in the Senate rules that allows him to take these actions. Hence, he's overreaching his authority.
Says who? YOU?
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Okay.
Show me in the Wisconsin Senate rules where the Senate Majority Leader has the power to bar the minority party senators from voting. Show us all this rule.
The very rules that allowed the representatives to stay outside the state, would also be the very ones that limit their votes.. Did you not read all of the legal synopsis about arresting the individuals in question and FORCING them to come back to vote, and their votes would/could be deemed null and void because the rules were not FOLLOWED? Now you want to ignore the very same laws that protected them because its now to your convenience, asking for special exemptions because you say so..
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