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Old 03-21-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Stop Blaming Bush, Obama works for the same bosses.

Some people never get a clue, never knowing when to say when. When to let something go as a failed excuse. When to place blame squarely where it belongs. When to realize "change" was never going to happen, at least not the way it was promised to you.

In a thread regarding Kucinach calling Obamas' entrance into the Libyan conflict a possible act of impeachment:

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Obama's Libya decision is a speeding ticket compared to Bush/ Cheney's unfounded war in Iraq. No contest.
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I wouldn't get into the impeaching stuff (it was silly talk under Bush, and it's silly now), but i'm most certainly angry as hell at the president. I'm still an Obama supporter, but if this Libya thing doesn't wrap up fast, i'm considering not voting for him in the next election.
Is Obama ever going to own his Presidency for good and bad? Are his supporters so enamored by this guy that he can't actually do anything wrong even when it so painfully clear to the members of his own party?

Over two years ago he triumphantly exclaimed, "the Iraq war is over!!!"


Now we are in a third war. Gitmo isn't closed, Afghanistan is raging even harder, the debt has doubled (in just 2 years), and while the people suffer the banks, corporations, and bail-out babies have record profits.

Does anyone remember this?


After 5 years, of total control of the house and 2 years and 3 months since Obama took office, you'd think the left would stop blaming Bush for Obamas' decision making.

I can't wait to see how long the next Republican President blames Obama for the mess he inherits, if there's even a President in 2016.

I can't wait for politicians to start worrying about us instead of lining their constituents (and their own) pockets. Is it possible to hold one's breath indefinately, like our wars.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The situations between Ira and Libya aren't even remotely close. First and foremost a major difference exists between setting up a no fly-zone and enforcing that compared to an actual ground war with 140,000 troops.

The debt has not been doubled in two years, that is simply made up.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The situations between Ira and Libya aren't even remotely close. First and foremost a major difference exists between setting up a no fly-zone and enforcing that compared to an actual ground war with 140,000 troops.

The debt has not been doubled in two years, that is simply made up.
A perfect example of total denial. When Obama enters a war, it's all good because his wars are different from the other wars. You know, because Bush got us into those, making them far worse. We started in Irag with a no fly zone, so the beginning is a carbon copy. How exactly was Gaddafi a threat to the US? If this escalates don't be surprised.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:16 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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I have yet to have someone give me an answer to the question.

Is our involvement in Libya an act of war?

If so, why did Obama not go to congress to get PERMISSION to send in our military?

The purpose is to aide the removal of a leader of a country, same as Iraq, so what is the difference between Iraq and Libya then?

Why was it ok to remove one person and not ok to remove another?
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:16 PM
 
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The libs do not believe in personal responsibility so expecting hussein obama or any lib to lay the responsibility for anything on him is never going to happen. They will go to threir deaths to blame Bush or someone else. hussein obama is just your run-of-the-mill war monger.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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The situations between Ira and Libya aren't even remotely close. First and foremost a major difference exists between setting up a no fly-zone and enforcing that compared to an actual ground war with 140,000 troops.

The debt has not been doubled in two years, that is simply made up.

Thats besides the point. How much have we spent so far inserting ourselves into a civil war when we dont even know who these "rebels" are?
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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A perfect example of total denial. When Obama enters a war, it's all good because his war is different than the other wars. We started in Irag with a no fly zone, so the beginning is a carbon copy. If this escalates don't be surprised.
There is no indication whatsoever that ground troops are going to be used in Libya. Lets stop making things up.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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I have yet to have someone give me an answer to the question.

Is our involvement in Libya an act of war?

If so, why did Obama not go to congress to get PERMISSION to send in our military?

The purpose is to aide the removal of a leader of a country, same as Iraq, so what is the difference between Iraq and Libya then?

Why was it ok to remove one person and not ok to remove another?

Good post. Personally, I wouldnt have had an issue with removing the Libyan leader. However, that is something that shouldve been done as soon as we knew he was responsible for kiling Americans. Not now, where we put ourselves in the position of defending a group of people who will probably be as bad or worse than their leader was. Let them sort it out. And yes, he should have went to Congress first.
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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There is no indication whatsoever that ground troops are going to be used in Libya. Lets stop making things up.
Did you even read the entire OP? You seem to be stuck on a single point. Would you say he's added more to the debt in two years than Bush did in eight? What about getting us out of the other two wars? What about closing Gitmo?
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Did you even read the entire OP? You seem to be stuck on a single point.

As to the other points, I am disappointed with Gitmo still being open, I do think we are doing the right thing in Afghanistan. We are not in a third war. The debt has not doubled in two years. The bank bailouts happened under Bush.
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