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Old 04-29-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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They had to agree to them if they took the education part of the Obama stimulus. That was the carrot dangled..take this money but we get to call the shots.

Thankfully Texas declined that money.
actually happyTexan, governer Rick Perry declined the money initially because congressman Lloyd Dogget(d) Austin, specified that the education dollars can be used for EDUCATION ONLY.

Texas finally received the funds after that provision was taken out as part of the 2012 budget.


YouTube - April 12, 2011 - Rep. Doggett Discusses Repeal of 'Save Our Schools' Amendment (KVUE News)

 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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-_-. You want another 1950s, don't you?
What don't you understand that those ideologies are the antithesis of our Constitution which renders those ideologies the ENEMY of it. What part of protecting the Constitution from both foreign and domestic enemies don't you understand or weren't you taught in school?
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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What don't you understand that those ideologies are the antithesis of our Constitution which renders those ideologies the ENEMY of it. What part of protecting the Constitution from both foreign and domestic enemies don't you understand or weren't you taught in school?
Aah, Constitution Tourettes! You know there's a cure for that, right? Actually reading and understanding what is in the Constitution is a good start.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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Does "teaching" = "indoctrination"? Explain the difference.
Teaching is indoctrination when the children are taught opinions as facts; e.g., Capitalism is Bad. Teaching is indoctrination when certain political/social messages are repeatedly presented covertly as well as overtly within lessons with the attempt to change students opinions in a particular direction. Teaching is indoctrination when students are mocked/ridiculed for questioning a teacher's opinion. Teaching is indoctrination when the goal is to change the belief/value system of the children. Teaching is indoctrination when a controversial issue is presented as fact. Many, many examples...Watch the video.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Teaching is indoctrination when the children are taught opinions as facts; e.g., Capitalism is Bad. Teaching is indoctrination when certain political/social messages are repeatedly presented covertly as well as overtly within lessons with the attempt to change students opinions in a particular direction. Teaching is indoctrination when students are mocked/ridiculed for questioning a teacher's opinion. Teaching is indoctrination when the goal is to change the belief/value system of the children. Teaching is indoctrination when a controversial issue is presented as fact. Many, many examples...
Mostly agreed.

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Watch the video.
Watched the video. Saw no proof, and little evidence, that this was happening.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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Aah, Constitution Tourettes! You know there's a cure for that, right? Actually reading and understanding what is in the Constitution is a good start.
I think you need to brush up on it yourself. Seems that you have never even seen the document nonetheless read it. HC is NOT a right which is what these schools are trying to teach the kids. These kids are being taught what America IS NOT! Now let's take it a step further and take a long hard look at those classes in Arizona and California where they are teaching hatred and the overthrow of the US government. Do you want to put your Marxist spin on that and tell all of us how that is legal in this country and how the Constitution allows for that?
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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You know, people have the right to believe in what they want to believe. If they choose communism, let it be. They really don't pose a threat, and just because a textbook tells of places where people don't go into debt from visiting a hospital doesn't make them bad. It seems all you want is another trial to force people to believe what you believe.
You have been brainwashed by the very things we are discussing here. Yes you can be a Communist if you like, you can even join the party, but once it is being taught in schools, that crosses the line and you know it. Don't worry though, once we get a REAL administration in that cares about this country, those people will be held accountable for what they are trying to do.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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actually happyTexan, governer Rick Perry declined the money initially because congressman Lloyd Dogget(d) Austin, specified that the education dollars can be used for EDUCATION ONLY.

Texas finally received the funds after that provision was taken out as part of the 2012 budget.


YouTube - April 12, 2011 - Rep. Doggett Discusses Repeal of 'Save Our Schools' Amendment (KVUE News)
No..this was something different.

This was Obama extra stimulus money.
There were 2 special piles of stimulus money that had carrots.
Education where you had to let the Fed determine your curriculum
and
Unemployment where you had to change your state rules to allow unemployment for part time workers.

Texas refused both.
Texas-Perry declines Federal money for Education- wants OBAMAs hands off TX school – says too many strings « Politics, Religion, and Family

The Doggett fiasco had to do with other stimulus education money.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You have been brainwashed by the very things we are discussing here. Yes you can be a Communist if you like, you can even join the party, but once it is being taught in schools, that crosses the line and you know it. Don't worry though, once we get a REAL administration in that cares about this country, those people will be held accountable for what they are trying to do.
This is funny. Any idea how old some of the text books are that are being used in public schools?
I know, I know, someone is going to suggest that as part of the grand Obama consipiracy, text book publishers were instructed to have new text books ready for when Obama was elected president so that the indoctrination could begin as soon as he was sworn in.

Seriously, do people really believe that some 'perfect' future 'REAL' administration will mandate what every child learns in school? Is this really what people want? Does this remind anyone else of East Germany or the USSR?
So, the solution as per the above is to take away local governance? To take away educational choice?
Talk about indoctrination.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This is funny. Any idea how old some of the text books are that are being used in public schools?
I know, I know, someone is going to suggest that as part of the grand Obama consipiracy, text book publishers were instructed to have new text books ready for when Obama was elected president so that the indoctrination could begin as soon as he was sworn in.

Seriously, do people really believe that some 'perfect' future 'REAL' administration will mandate what every child learns in school? Is this really what people want? Does this remind anyone else of East Germany or the USSR?
So, the solution as per the above is to take away local governance? To take away educational choice?
Talk about indoctrination.
This was the "Race to the Top" stimulus money.
States were falling all over each other to apply for it.

Money with strings attached. Where was the outcry then ?
35 states surrendered their right to determine their curriculum for $$$$$.

"Race to the Top" is really the "Race to Nowhere"
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