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He's on the HLS Committee (Chairman). He probably is privy to more information now than Rumsfeld is.
Unless the waterboarding took place after November 2006 when Rumsfeld resigned (and after the Bush admin said they had stopped the practice) then Rumsfeld is more likely to have a better grasp on the facts than King. Additionally, with the "radical Islam" hearings earlier this year, King demonstrated that he is willing to ignore the facts (Sheriff Baca testifying to Muslims cooperating with law enforcement) in order to make ideological points.
I really don't want to side with Rumsfeld on anything, but if it's on a matter of whether some particular person was waterboarded in violation of international law between 2002 and 2006, I'm more confident that Rumsfeld will know what happened than King.
But really, is your argument that torture is alright if it leads to A Good Thing? If the ends are good enough, any means are justified?
Unless the waterboarding took place after November 2006 when Rumsfeld resigned (and after the Bush admin said they had stopped the practice) then Rumsfeld is more likely to have a better grasp on the facts than King. Additionally, with the "radical Islam" hearings earlier this year, King demonstrated that he is willing to ignore the facts (Sheriff Baca testifying to Muslims cooperating with law enforcement) in order to make ideological points.
I really don't want to side with Rumsfeld on anything, but if it's on a matter of whether some particular person was waterboarded in violation of international law between 2002 and 2006, I'm more confident that Rumsfeld will know what happened than King.
But really, is your argument that torture is alright if it leads to A Good Thing? If the ends are good enough, any means are justified?
No, I'm more curious in facts. If it wasn't during water-boarding but was during prolonged stress or beating by use of collar, what's it matter? This was done in a secret CIA prison and most certainly was the fruition of questionable techniques, if you believe all the things KSM said he was subject to, at least.
When in fact KSM even gave us information by being water boarded.
Or did you even know that?
I say let the waterboarding begin!!
But it was not until later, after waterboarding was suspended because it and other harsh techniques became heatedly debated, that Mohammed told interrogators about the existence of a courier particularly close to bin Laden, a fragmentary tip that touched off a years-long manhunt that ended in bin Laden's death at the hands of U.S. special forces on Sunday.
And at the time the information surfaced, the CIA had already abandoned some of its most controversial interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, in which water is poured over the face of an interrogation subject to simulate drowning, current and former U.S. officials told Reuters.
The trail that led to bin Laden’s hideout in the town of Abbottabad, about 75 miles north of Islamabad, began between 2002 and 2004 with the CIA’s interrogation of al-Qaeda “high-value targets” at secret CIA sites overseas. Several detainees mentioned the “nom de guerre,” or nickname, of one of bin Laden’s couriers.
Some of the detainees who confirmed the courier’s nickname were subjected to “enhanced interrogation techniques,” the CIA’s formal name for what is now widely viewed as torture.
So let me get this correct. I know liberals are very hypocritical but lets do this.
Explain to me how liberals hate water boarding and believe it is torture but then they jump for joy and give 100% credit to their leader Obomba for killing OBL without a trial, he ordered the killing of OBLs wife and son and others in the compound without a single trial. What did OBLS wife every do? How about the son?
KSM has said he was guilty of being behind 9-11 and yet the loons went out of their way to protect him and wanted to give him rights like US citizens have but it is somehow different to take out OBL without a trial?
Which freakin way do you people want it?
Now, the libs are dead against water boarding but it is ok for the US President to order the killing of a man and his family in another country without a trial.
Which way do you want it? to me ordering the KILLING of someone is of course a little different then water boarding.
Explain which way do you want it because you cannot have it both ways.
Either kill every single known terrorist like OBL without a trial or water board them? Which way do you want it?
How come OBL was not going to get a trial but liberals demand that KSM and the gang get rights like US citizens have.
I guess ordering the killing of a man and his family would be ok since it was Obama but waterboarding is not ok.
Amazing. No wonder liberalism is no longer wanted in America. Thank goodness we only have 20% of the crazies left in America to deal with.
Yeah I just don't think anyone here can say "Waterboarding gave us this info". That little piece of info (ie the couriers' "name") was a TINY LITTLE BIT of what was collected over a long period of time that included MANY interregations. At the time it was probably not considered as important as some of the other info collected - after all, the courier himself was but a bit play and NOT a decision maker. In time it proved to be a VERY IMPORTANT bit of info - but no one could know that then. And - as I said - considering that there were apparently very very few of these "enhanced interogation" sessions and LOTS of "conventional interogation" chances are that info was gained during the regular session.
Ken
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