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Old 05-03-2011, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I'm suggesting it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at a map and plot where our known enemies are. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why taking the fight to the terrorist was the lesser of all evils. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Iraq and its murderous dictator were ripe for the taking.

The sad part is that people actually listen to this government when it speaks. I didn't need to hear GWB speak to understand what was actually being said. Liberals have never been known for extraordinary foresight. Their constant cackling over the Iraq War is solid proof. All you needed was a map, and you would have been enlightened.

As someone who studied the history of the ancient Near East in great detail, I never had any doubts regarding the strategic nature of that particular location nor did I doubt that there were many reasons more substantial than the nonsense cooked up by the remarkably unimaginative Bush administration.

My major point of contention is and always has been the lies told and lives lost in order to perpetrate this exercise in eminent domain.

Surely we could have simply paid Saddam off and been done with it.
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Old 05-03-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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I stopped here because if you dont know the fact that it iwas, then I dont know what else to tell you.. TERROR CAMPS WERE OPERATING INSIDE OF IRAQ...
Was the US case to invade Iraq based on the presence of terror camps or on the presence of WMDs? You are distorting the record here. The US invaded Iraq because Bush claimed there were WMDs in Iraq. That's what we were led to believe. That was the case presented to the UN. It was not about terror camps. Terror camps were an afterthought. Only when it dawned on the dimwit Bush and his supporters that there were no WMDs of any significant amount in Iraq did his rhetoric pivot into "terror camps". There were terror camps in many countries. There were terror camps in Yemen, Somalia, North Africa, Southeast Asia. Pakistan. How come Bush didn't attack those countries?
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Old 05-03-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Can't say I am surprised...

I saw it coming but of course some people here called me crazy and made fun of me. When you are an Intel Analyst in the Military you come across all kinds of information that you think are completely out of this world - you obviously can't disclose it even though sometimes you wish you could. I am no Bradley Manning.

I just wish the government would actually tell us the truth about certain things but National Security is more important.
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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It doesn't take much to make you wonder about anything. It would be a good start if you paid attention to what people are posting.
I am paying attention
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Yep. Please go about it, instead of the usual whining and complaining.
Thats YOU isnt it?
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1) Stop worrying about Einstein, and start worrying about yourself before it is too late. In the mean time, I stand to enjoy your misery dealing with my screen name.
More meaningless babble..
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2) Uneducated me appears to know better than educated you. Like I said, you need help. Make that, a LOT of help. Lets see...
And yet you offer nothing to show it than meaningless babble..
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"In my judgment, Saddam assessed Usama bin Ladin and al-Qaida as a threat rather than a potential partner to be exploited to attack the United States.".
And?
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So, how did you figure out Saddam's cozy relationship with Usama Bin Laden from the report you've educated yourself with to the best of your capacity?
Try to follow along with the conversation and stop lying about what I said, because I made no such claim.
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I should be embarrassed to even trying to have a debate with you.
You should be embarassed to not be able to debate me without LYING..
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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Was the US case to invade Iraq based on the presence of terror camps or on the presence of WMDs? You are distorting the record here. The US invaded Iraq because Bush claimed there were WMDs in Iraq. That's what we were led to believe. That was the case presented to the UN. It was not about terror camps. Terror camps were an afterthought. Only when it dawned on the dimwit Bush and his supporters that there were no WMDs of any significant amount in Iraq did his rhetoric pivot into "terror camps". There were terror camps in many countries. There were terror camps in Yemen, Somalia, North Africa, Southeast Asia. Pakistan. How come Bush didn't attack those countries?
The fact that they claimed WMD's where there
1) Was validated when they found mustard gas and other toxins
2) Doesnt change the fact that terrorist camps were IN Iraq
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:00 PM
 
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Was the US case to invade Iraq based on the presence of terror camps or on the presence of WMDs? You are distorting the record here. The US invaded Iraq because Bush claimed there were WMDs in Iraq. That's what we were led to believe. That was the case presented to the UN. It was not about terror camps. Terror camps were an afterthought. Only when it dawned on the dimwit Bush and his supporters that there were no WMDs of any significant amount in Iraq did his rhetoric pivot into "terror camps". There were terror camps in many countries. There were terror camps in Yemen, Somalia, North Africa, Southeast Asia. Pakistan. How come Bush didn't attack those countries?
First, Saddam had eleven months to do what he wanted with removing things. The UN blocked us that long, so don't make like he couldn't hide what he wanted to.
Tens of thousands in mass graves.
Thousands of children in jail.
Torture rooms.
Tons upon tons of yellow cake and chemical WMD found in separated drums.
He was shooting at planes over the no fly zone and was trying to buy more WMD.
Please, it didn't hinge only on the WMD.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Obtusity and deflection. I expected nothing less.
How about straight out?

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I really, really want to know how many anti-war Liberals will stand up and say "THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!"

The answer, of course, will be none. And we all know its because hypocrisy and abject foolishness is the foundation of Liberal war policies.


bin Laden 's death DOES NOT justify the Iraq War. So, NO THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!

Clear enough?
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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So now we have
1. Rendition was a key to getting Bin Laden
2. Water boarding was a key.
3. Operations in Iraq was key.

looks like GWB put down a pretty solid foundation here.

Thanks GWB and Obama and all the operators and intel guys and waterboarders and rendition agents that worked together to make this thing happen!
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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It doesn't matter. Not at all. We took the fight to the terrorists. They showed up, we fulfilled our end of the deal. Now Osama is dead. The only failure is your ability to reconcile this inconvenient truth.
I think you are having trouble reconciling that Obama got Osama, not Bush.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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are you TRYING to claim that the pre-9-11 training camps in Iraq were al qaeda training camps? that is a bit of a stretch and I don't think you can point to a page number that concluded that...



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Do you really need it explained to you?

So you single handidly have evidence that the 911 commission report was wrong? I'm anxiously awaiting for it..
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