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Old 05-24-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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Nobody is saying it was a great idea, but they did do it. I don't even think you know why it was abandoned. Times have changed I guess. But the person who posted that the 1st amendment only restricts the FEDERAL government from making a NATIONAL religion was correct. That's how it was written and meant at the time of it's creation.
Slavery and no rights for women were also important in the beginning of this country. Society changes. That's the purpose of the Federal Courts - to rule on Constitutionality of the law and determine how it is to be applied to a growing and progressing nation. If the Founders did not want the Federal Government to push a theocracy, I don't think they would have supported each individual state becoming a theocracy.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:11 AM
 
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That was a horrible reading of it, then. 9 of the original states had official state religions. Do you honestly think they intended for that reading of the 1st Ammendment?
Yes, because if they didn't want Congress to be able to create a theocracy, they sure as heck wouldn't support each state having its own theocracy which would have created 50 separate nations all fighting each other.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:12 AM
 
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Nope. States were free to establish a state religion. That's what state's rights were all about. You didn't like the religion or taxation in that state, move to one that you liked.
So the founders intended us to have the potentional of 50 different theocracies, all at each other's throats over whose interpretation of the Bible is more accurate? I don't think so.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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First of all, what Palin said has nothing to do with forcing anyone to worship anything. What she is referring to is sticking to the foundation that America and it's laws were created, which is Judeo Christian PRINCIPALS and PHILOSOPHIES. You know, like creating laws around the 10 commandments and the citizens actually practicing self responsibility. It has nothing to do with creating a state religion or theocracy.
So America should have laws requiring people to observe the Sabbath and worship God, and not lie?

In other words, only Orthodox Jews meet the requirements of what this nation was founded on?
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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Pure ignorance is all this is. America was built and designed upon Judeo Christian principles. All of our laws reflected the 10 commandments. That's why you still see those commandments posted at courthouses around the country.
No, our laws come from English Common Law.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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Another thing. America didn't exist during the Dark Ages. So neither did the west. America invented the western way of life.
Nope, actually Greco-Roman Civilization began the Western world. Hence why we modeled so much of our government after them.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Are those laws? Didn't think so. I'm talking about our basic civil laws. You knew that though right? Just wanted to muddy the waters like a good Prog?
Yes, actually the Administrative Act and Commercial Code he listed are laws. You have made it quite obvious you understand neither law, American history, or World history.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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Civil laws jack wagon. You know, those laws that govern the basics of behavior. Like murder, stealing, etc.
Laws governing Murder and Theft are not civil laws, they are criminal. Civil laws are torts that seek monetary compensation for wrongdoing on another's part, such as negligence. That's how we define laws in the US.

If you are referring to the legal system called "Civil Law", it's based on Roman Law, and the United States does not follow the "Civil Law" system.

Civil law is primarily contrasted with common law, which is the legal system developed among Anglophone people, especially in England.

Countries who use a Civil Law System:

All European Union states except UK (excluding Scotland) and Ireland, Brazil, Canada (Québec only), China, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Switzerland, Turkey, USA (Louisiana only), India (Goa only)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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You had better do some more homework and pay attention this time.

1st amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."


"Originally, the First Amendment applied only to the federal government"

I'd say they were right. Want to try again?
Do you know what the Supreme Court is and what their job is? Clearly you think the SCOTUS should be abolished since they mess up your views of how the law should be constantly.
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Old 05-24-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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So you would prefer a theocracy, where people could no longer worship in whatever manner they see fit, but instead would worship in the manner the state determines best?
Only if it's their particular brand of Christianity. But opening that door also allows Islam to become the State religion, which I don't think they'd like.
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